AV desert raves shut down by authorities, several arrested

The Sheriff's Department prevented the first rave from happening by placing several signs like this one throughout the desert. (Courtesy LASD)

The Sheriff’s Department prevented the first rave from happening by placing several signs like this one throughout the desert. (Courtesy LASD)

LANCASTER – Three out-of-towners were arrested on drugs charges and several party goers were cited when authorities targeted a pair of rave parties in a remote desert area near Lancaster recently. The following is the press release from Lancaster Sheriff’s Station.

 Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies from the Antelope Valley Crime Fighting Initiatives (AVCFI) patrolled the unincorporated areas of the High Desert, searching for two known “rave” parties Saturday (6/29/13) that were being planned in an unincorporated desert area patrolled by Lancaster Sheriff’s Station.

By searching for illegal drug rave parties openly shared through social media, the Electronic Communications Triage Unit of the Sheriff’s Headquarters Bureau (SHB eComm), crime analysts and Antelope Valley sheriff’s deputies narrowed down where the dangerous activities were going to take place.

“Our goal is to prevent the crimes before or quickly after they begin,” said Sheriff’s Lieutenant Larry Gregg, the AVCFI coordinator.

At these rave parties, narcotics, Nitrous Oxide (nozz) and alcohol are often abused by teenagers and young people. Violents attacks, rapes, overdoses and serious crimes often occur. Car crashes from driving under the influence injuring innocent people and other crimes and community disruptions add to the hazards. The risk of fires spreading due to unsafe bonfires is often present. It is not possible to get a permit for this illegal activity that is also very dangerous to the neighboring public and drivers on the roadways.

Rave Party 1:

“After learning who was promoting one of the parties, the promoter was contacted and advised the party was illegal,” said Sheriff’s Sergeant Kevin Pearcy, whose team planned the operation. The promoter, whose name was not released pending a criminal investigation, said his intention was to hold the party anyway and to make its location more difficult for law enforcement to find.

The location was found by deputies, who used Sheriff’s Department and other Los Angeles County and State resources to place several signs throughout the desert. The signs read “Rave Party Cancelled… by Sheriff’s Department.” The signs and the contact with the promoter worked, as this particular party did not take place. However, the teams’ work was not finished.

Rave Party 2:

As day turned into night, more information was received via the open advertising on social media about a possible second illegal drug rave in the Antelope Valley.

The second drug rave party was discovered and several teams of deputies [drove] to that location, which was in an unincorporated desert area patrolled by Lancaster Sheriff’s Station.

There, a rave was discovered with 80-100 party-goers. The party consisted of two “decks” or D.J’s., neon lighting, generators, tents, alcohol and narcotics. What obviously was missing from the party location was restrooms, a water supply and county permits to have such a gathering.

“The County will not permit any event of this type, especially in the middle of a remote area like this one. There are no restrooms or even a water supply, running or not. It would take emergency medical teams, including paramedics, an extremely long amount of time to arrive at an area such as this one. With temperatures exceeding 110 degrees, this party was an accident waiting to happen and inherently dangerous” said Lancaster Sheriff’s Station Captain Pat Nelson. “It is not unusual for rave parties to last twenty-four hours or longer,” he added.

The party quickly ended when the deputies arrived and several party-goers were arrested for various charges, while others were issued citations for warrants and other violations.

Arrested were:

  • Suspect Michael Calabrese, 20 years old from Laguna Hills, Orange County, for felony possession of a controlled substance.
  • Suspect Courtney George, 26 years old from Agoura Hills, Los Angeles County, for felony possession of a controlled substance. They were both booked at Lancaster Sheriff’s Station
  • Also arrested was Timothy Frye, 27 years old from Oxnard, Ventura County, for being under the influence of a controlled substance. He was also booked at Lancaster Sheriff’s Station.

“Most of the people at the rave were from areas well away from the Antelope Valley,” said Sergeant Pearcy. “They included Agoura Hills in Los Angeles County, Oxnard and Ventura in Ventura County, Laguna Hills in Orange County, Temecula in Riverside County, as well as San Diego County. They are driving for hours to come to participate in drug raves in the Antelope Valley. That’s a long drive for drug parties we are shutting down before they start.”

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has prevented over 400 illegal teen/drug/alcohol party raves throughout LASD patrol area that were openly advertised on social media since the end of 2012. The LASD has also sent hundreds of illegal drug party notices to neighboring policing agencies before the raves began.

  167 comments for “AV desert raves shut down by authorities, several arrested

  1. Aaron
    August 22, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    I’m planning an illegal desert rave party in the future.

  2. david c
    July 11, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Life was a whole lot easier when there were only two Deputy’s and one car to cover all of Palmdale.
    And anything in unincorporated property was just too far to drive for the Deputy’s in Lancaster. Oh. Those were the days, my friends.

    • daemon sinclair
      August 6, 2013 at 2:36 pm

      The most important rave post you’ll see all year.

      Please Share!


      For those of you newer ravers who might be a little confused sometimes about how we started out. This is for you. With love.

      Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy. Our nourishment of choice is Love. Our addiction of choice is technology.
      Our religion of choice is music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of choice is none.
      Our society of choice is utopian though we know it will never be. You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may misunderstand us. You may be unaware of our existence.
      We can only hope you do not care to judge us, because we would never judge you. We are not criminals. We are not disillusioned. We are not drug addicts. We are not naive children…
      We are one massive, global, tribal village that transcends man-made law, physical geography, and time itself.
      We are The Massive. One Massive.
      We were first drawn by the sound. From far away, the thunderous, muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother’s heart soothing a child in her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring.
      We were drawn back into this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and darkness of it,
      We came to accept that we are all equal. Not only to the darkness, and to ourselves, but to the very music slamming into us and passing through our souls: we are all equal.
      And somewhere around 35 Hz we could feel the hand of God at our backs, pushing us forward, pushing us to push ourselves to strengthen our minds, our bodies, and our spirits,
      Pushing us to turn to the person beside us to join hands and uplift them by sharing the uncontrollable joy we felt from creating this magical bubble that can, for one evening, protect us from the horrors, atrocities, and pollution of the outside world. It is in that very instant, with these initial realizations that each of us was truly born.
      We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or warehouses, or buildings you’ve abandoned and left for naught, and we bring life to them for one night.
      Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in it’s purest, most intense, most hedonistic form.
      In these makeshift spaces, we seek to shed ourselves of the burden of uncertainty for a future you have been unable to stabilise and secure for us.
      We seek to relinquish our inhibitions, and free ourselves from the shackle’s and restraints you’ve put on us for your own peace of mind.
      We seek to re-write the programming that you have tried to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born.
      Programming that tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff ourselves into the nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming that even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and run through mazes and on hamster wheels.
      Programming that tells us to eat from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead of nourish ourselves with our own capable hands.
      Programming that tells us to close our minds, instead of open them.
      Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by revealing the dis-utopian reality of a world you’ve created for us, we dance fiercely with our brothers and sisters in celebration of our life, of our culture, and of the values we believe in:
      Peace, Love, Freedom, Tolerance, Unity, Harmony,
      Expression, Responsibility and Respect.
      Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information. Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever laws you feel you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating our existence.
      But know that while you may shut down any given party, on any given night, in any given city, in any given country or continent on this beautiful planet, you can never shut down the entire party.
      You don’t have access to that switch, no matter what you may think. The music will never stop. The heartbeat will never fade. The party will never end.
      I am a raver, and this is my manifesto.

      • sikntired
        August 6, 2013 at 4:11 pm

        What a crock.Shouldn’t that read “our drug of choice is ecstasy?

        • MIkeyg06
          August 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm

          no it shouldn’t read “our drug oc choice…”

          as a drug is not being referenced in this manifesto…

          1. ecstasy – a state of being carried away by overwhelming emotionecstasy – a state of being carried away by overwhelming emotion; “listening to sweet music in a perfect rapture”- Charles Dickens
          exaltation, rapture, raptus, transport

          emotional state, spirit – the state of a person’s emotions (especially with regard to pleasure or dejection); “his emotional state depended on her opinion”; “he was in good spirits”; “his spirit rose”

          2. ecstasy – a state of elated bliss

          bliss, blissfulness, cloud nine, seventh heaven, walking on air – a state of extreme happiness

          I will not say the use of illicit drugs are not used at raves… but the original manifesto is referring to the emotion of pure bliss…
          The meaning of raves was never intended for people to use drugs… some people decided to use the drug to enhance their experience at these raves.

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 1:52 pm

            “drug of choice…”

  3. mike
    July 10, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Let me set the record straight, I am on the list of arrested and NO DRUGS WERE FOUND AT THIS PARTY I had a 5-htp supplement that you can buy at a right aid, the other possession was for tyroid medication. One person went to a drunk tank for a night, and frankly I am extremely upset my name is listed on this site when THERE WAS NO CHARGE OR TRIAL. The police came needing a couple of arrests for the local news and now my name on the internet is associated with parties that these articles and news stories make out to be entirely different than reality. Why? Ratings. Plain and simple. The public needs to stop being so swayed by deceptive cut up clips, pictures, and misleading facts.

    • Citizen of Antelope Valley
      July 11, 2013 at 3:50 am

      You are not going to get any symphony from me. Go party in the Hills of Laguna, not in my backyard.

      • david c
        July 11, 2013 at 10:37 am

        What. Don’t you have an orchestra to play your “symphony”?

      • mike
        July 11, 2013 at 11:47 am

        Listen, if you like eating pizza on the couch im fine with your choice. I enjoy going to festivals and meeting like minded people. If your not fine with my choice move to N Korea I really don’t care, but that was not your land don’t tell me where to spend my time.

        • Citizen of Antelope Valley
          July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm

          I see. I should go to North Korea so that you can drive 2 1/2 hours up to the desert to thump my walls with your music all night long. No it is not my land, but it is my walls. So why don’t you instead stay in Laguna Hills or at least in Orange County and thump your neighbor’s walls and I’ll stay in the Antelope Valley, you self entitled arse.

          • mike
            July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm

            If I can’t hear music well closer than any dwelling, your walls are not being thumped. If you’d like to join us next time I would be glad to take you and you may discover that there is more yo life than t.v. And internet. Or you can continue posting comments bashing something you don’t understand. America is a country of pitifully easily lead, close-minded individuals…

    • AVer
      August 6, 2013 at 5:32 pm

      So Mike… did you have permission to be on whoever’s land you wanted to be on? Did you have the required permits, restrooms, water, and all that? Bottom line… was anything illegal or not?

      I thought so. You get no sympathy or respect from us. Go back to Laguna and whine to your momma. Come back when you have lived a few more years on this earth.

      Even without addressing the drug use, the trash left behind, the potential fire hazard, the health hazard, and the potential waste of our (tax payer paid) law enforcement/fire/EMS people, is why no one wants your parties here.

      Do things by the book and make it all legal, and we would welcome you.

  4. Arthur
    July 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I have nothing against desert raves but what I do hate and can’t tolerate is immature kids not being responsible and having illegal drugs such as nos come on everyone knows that [removed] is extremely flammable and if you didn’t know that you should probably not even be touching it. all I can say is be safe and smart. AND ALL YOU STUPID IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE SAYING [removed] ABOUT THESE TYPE OF PARTIES JUST MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS AREN’T THE ONES SAYING THEY ARE GOING OUT TO THEIR FRIEND’S HOUSE OR MOVIES AND ARE REALLY AT A RAVE! plur


  5. heyney
    July 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Whats the big contraversy if you want to throw a rave get the proper permits. Simple follow the required procedures.

    • badcopnodoughnut
      July 10, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      exactly we are peaceful people who just want to dance in peace, gheeesh

  6. Jawa
    July 8, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    The gathering took place on our private property, with our permission. The pigs trespassed to shut it down. They are overfunded and their budget should be cut.

    • badcopnodoughnut
      July 8, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      Agreed cops are wasting time shutting down harmless parties, when the AV is filled with so much other crime, cops are letting real criminals getting away with. No one is bothered by loud music in the middle of no where. If there were not raves. Cops would be busy trying to shut down 200 plus loud house parties every weekend. to all you no ravers who misjudge us. Would you rather have your neighbors packing 200 people in a house with blasting music past 3 am or would you rather have people enjoy music where you will not hear or see it? We are harmless, mind our own business, clean up our trash. And for your info the are called raves not drug raves. Cops should be ashamed of there selves. While they were busting those parties a neighbors 15 year old got raped and cops did nothing about it. And people wonder why the AV has gotten so ghetto cops are not getting real criminals, they are out harassing people enjoying their freedom to dance and listen to music. Years ago I got robbed knew who did it and cops did nothing and never got my stuff back.

      • AVGirl
        July 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm

        How are they harmless? 200 people with no bathroom facilities is just disgusting. And if someone left under the influence, that could very well impact the rest of the people in the area.

        • Jim
          July 10, 2013 at 4:20 pm

          Where did people go to the bathroom for 1000’s of years?

          • AVGirl
            July 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm

            Not even the same thing. 200 people in a small area for a few hours is much different.

            Besides we have too many communicable diseases passed through bodily fluids to ignore the health concerns.

      • Up2here
        July 9, 2013 at 12:36 pm

        Rave parties are trouble to those who attend. FYI…. the law is to be quiet between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. every day of the week. I have and will call the police if it’s not withheld. It’s called respect. The fines get bigger every time they’re called.

        • badcopnodoughnut
          July 10, 2013 at 10:36 pm

          I have been to hundreds with no trouble, no violence, just a bunch of people who enjoy music and dancing, So sad the people who have never been think they can judge and hate on it, and based what they think a rave is purely on what media and cops and how they paint a fake bad picture of some of the most peaceful people.

    • gerry
      July 9, 2013 at 9:39 am

      I assume you had enough liability insurance to cover yourself if there was an accident (either personal or property? You made sure there were adequate restroom, trash disposal, emergency medical help available?

      I mention this as something to think about next time. The insurance is in case someones child gets injured (either at the event or even after if something happens that can be traced back)and decides to go after you.

      Others have mentioned Burning Man. A fair idea except, the organizers of Burning Man provide all the above and more. There is a reason the entry to Burning Man costs so much ($380).

      • SycoNot
        July 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        Burning Man doesn’t “provide” anything except porto-potties. All other services are volunteered. Most raves I attend have them, or proper pit toilets. Burning Man does NOT provide insurance. The ticket even says YOU MAY DIE AND IT IS NOT OUR FAULT. The tickets are $380 for an 8 day land use permit and to pay the law enforcement officials. By the way, LEO costs are going up at Burning Man every year, despite steady to declining incidents.

        • gerry
          July 9, 2013 at 8:00 pm

          If it involves a person under 18 years of age, it does not matter what the ticket says. I will also bet, Burning Man provides an insurance policy to cover themselves. A simple disclaimer really does not do much in court.

          Even if they volunteer, there are still EMT trained people at burning man. Once those people volunteer to provide EMT services, they should be covered by an insurance policy. Once you volunteer beforehand, you are no longer considered a “good Samaritan” and any helping actions they take in assisting in a medical way opens them up to malpractice claims.

          For trash removal, yes, BM does request people haul out their own. But if the trash is not hauled out, the BM crew must clean it up for face the wrath of the Feds.

    • AVGirl
      July 9, 2013 at 11:40 am

      You realize that police are not subject to trespass laws in cases like this right?

      If you truly are the owner, which I doubt, I am sure that the city/county will be sending you a few fines, code enforcement violations and the like in the mail any day now.

      • take-care-of-each-other
        July 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm

        I agree, hope the fines are large enough to make them think twice about doing it again.

        • badcopnodoughnut
          July 10, 2013 at 10:38 pm

          there is no crime to dance and listen to music on your own private property

  7. SMf
    July 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Two words: Burning Man

    Look it up

    • Dan
      July 9, 2013 at 8:16 am

      Thankfully Burning Man is now unstoppable. We provide the majority of the income to Washoe County, and LOTS of ACLU lawyers come out.

  8. parker mcclane
    July 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Wow now I’m being censored by the AV times. I said the word that starts with an s and ends with upid and they removed it. What a joke this online gathering of misinformation is!

    • Uncle Tom
      July 8, 2013 at 5:44 pm

      Chances are good you were using it as part of a personal attack (just based of the back and forth with you and AVgirl). In such a case this site has decided they will not permit it, and will likely delete, or not approve of the message.

      People every right to speak their mind, but since the admins of this site have decided that to keep the peace and reduce the constant personal attacks, they have exercised their right to not allow such comments, since it brings down the maturity level and leads to mindless bickering.

      • parker mccalne
        July 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm

        I just asked her if she was “stuck on stupid” That’s it.

        • Notagain
          July 8, 2013 at 8:21 pm


        • Letlow
          July 8, 2013 at 10:34 pm

          Parker, I guess you didn’t get the memo that this paper was cracking down on personally attacks. If someone asked you if you were stuck on stupid, might you want to engage that person in dialogue? I’m thinking NO! Surely you are intelligent enough to debate with someone without calling them stupid. Keep the childish insults on the school playground and you won’t be censored. LOL!

    • AVGirl
      July 9, 2013 at 11:47 am

      If it helps, I didn’t take any offense and strongly believe that comments should not be censored.

      What is the saying oh yes…I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.

  9. Notagain
    July 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm


    • Aaron
      August 22, 2013 at 10:35 pm

      Soon. Because if these raves keep getting shutdown I will get a civil rights group to cause trouble for the Sherrifs Department.

  10. Dan
    July 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    I’m curious. Since you seem to think the Constitutional right to assemble should require a permit, which other rights do you feel that way about?

    So you are okay with requiring a permit for owning a gun? How about free speech? Should that require a permit?

    • AVGirl
      July 8, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      Last time I checked, you are required to have a permit for a handgun.

      You are right, let us do away with all permits, licenses etc. Do whatever you like, whenever you like. Let’s see how well that goes.

      SCOTUS has upheld government’s right to require permits in these types of circumstances.

      • parker mcclane
        July 8, 2013 at 4:14 pm

        The last time you checked? Now I know you aren’t telling the truth. In California you are not required to have a permit to own a handgun. You only need to have a safety certificate. That’s not a permit. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

        • AVGirl
          July 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm

          We are talking semantics now. You cannot just go out and buy a handgun without following procedure. And there are several instances that a person cannot legally own a gun.

          Your statements implied that anyone can get a gun with no requirements and no control by the government, which is false.

          So if we are comparing apples to apples here:
          Party in the desert: one would have to follow certain rules and procedures.

          Owning a handgun: one would have to follow certain rules and procedures.

          • parker mcclane
            July 8, 2013 at 4:51 pm

            You’ll say anything just to be right. Even when it’s completely wrong. Semantics really. You do not need a permit to OWN a handgun. Which is what you say. In California you simply need to pay 25 dollars and take a one hour course to buy the gun. Not to own it. It’s not even the same. I couldn’t even care less about the raves. I’m talking about gun ownership. Something that you know NOTHING about!

          • AVGirl
            July 8, 2013 at 4:59 pm

            So what about waiting periods for handguns? Background check etc?

            One would assume to own that gun, you would first need to buy that gun.

          • parker mcclane
            July 8, 2013 at 5:05 pm

            Background checks and waiting periods are not permits!

      • Dan
        July 9, 2013 at 8:56 am

        You are required to have a permit to CONCEAL a handgun on your person. You are required to have a background check if you purchase one. No permit is required simply to own a handgun.

  11. July 8, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Lancaster Sherriffs Dept ,Job well done.Thanks for protecting everyones children.

    • Dan
      July 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      Do you have ANY evidence that ANY children were at this event?

      • PD
        July 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm

        Evidence: There is documentation that children live in the Lancaster/Palmdale area. Given that the individuals that attend these types of events do not live in walking vicinity of the desert rave they must have used vehicle transportation. This would cause the party goers to drive to and from the event possibly under the influence. Preventing the party forgoes the opportunity for individuals to drive home under the influence. This helps protect both adult and child lives.
        Use logic and you may come up with evidence on your own next time.

        • Notagain
          July 8, 2013 at 8:26 pm


        • raversarelamebutharmless
          July 9, 2013 at 12:48 am

          You know why these events last so long??? It’s so people can sober up… If police were really worried about protecting your children, they wouldn’t arrest drunk people just trying to walk home safely for public intoxication, given that they walked as an alternative to driving. Doing so, only teaches drunks that they’d be much safer driving home. Not to mention, bars close at 2 in this state, meaning people are forced to leave when they are just about at the peak of their intoxication.

          Do you know why these parties last 12 hours or more usually? because by the time it is over whatever drugs or alcohol they have consumed wore off and it is now safe to drive home again. Use logic and you may realize your evidence is complete speculation, and not even well-thought out.

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm

            This is assuming these party goers do the drugs at the very beginning of the party… but you know what they say when you assume. you make an ass out and you and not me.

            Ive never been to a “rave” but have been to many concerts including the “smoke out tours” believe me people don’t stop using drugs… lol they tailgate before the even get drug, high, etc… then they go in and the music starts heat kicks up mash pits get going… you get thirsty, between sets go buy some more beer… smoke a joint and get ready for round 2… and it continues throughout the day/evening… and people are still drinking smoking or whatever after the concert on the way to their cars…

            Nice try raversarelamebutharmless

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm

            sorry for typos…

            “…before the event get drunk, high….”
            “…heat kicks up, mosh pits…”

            I know I should proof read, my apologies. don’t judge me by my grammar, judge me for my words!

        • Noah T
          July 9, 2013 at 11:06 am

          Your agency makes an awful lot of assumptions. I have been participating in parties such as these for the past 20 years. In a great deal of the situations, anybody who is under the influence at the party will NOT drive away. They will stay, sleep it off, and sober up before leaving.

          You need to remember that these aren’t all kids, and a lot of them are incredibly intelligent. Referring to these events as “illegal drug raves” is a misnomer and blatant misrepresentation. The *vast* majority of people who go to these events (in my experience, at least.. 20 years worth) consume only a small amount of alcohol – responsibly, no driving – or are *stone cold sober* the entire time. These gatherings are not about drugs, they are about having a good time by dancing, socializing, and being with friends. Some people do use drugs, yes, but it’s not a requirement. And it’s a FAR smaller percentage than the number of people on the streets of any major city.

          People at these events tend to really look out for each other. Many will bring CASES of water to share, and if anybody is not doing well, people will swarm them with help and assistance. Obviously the details change from situation to situation, but the blanket statement I feel still holds true – everybody in this scene has got each other’s back.

          What you’re attempting to tear down is not a drug culture. It’s an art culture. It’s a culture that fosters community and inclusion. It’s a culture that you clearly do not understand (by the *dozens* of complete misrepresentations you’ve made in your statement), but understand you. The same thing will happen down here as what has happened in the San Francisco bay area: They will adapt to your requirements. They will follow your rules. They will continue to celebrate, and you won’t be able to accuse them of doing anything wrong.

          Rather than get angry about it, educate yourself. Learn a little bit more about what they’re doing, and *why* they’re doing it.

          Crackheads live on the street – they don’t spend their lives working to celebrate art and freedom. These kids are not the problem you think they are. They’re YOUR future. Treat them with respect, and you’ll be amazed at the outpouring of respect you receive in return.

          I’m not just making things up – I’ve seen this happen. When it does, it’s beautiful, and the community comes together in a way I would have never dreamed of. Party-goers respect the authorities and follow their rules and guidelines, and people don’t get hurt. Trust in your kids – they’re a lot smarter than you think.

      • Nancy P
        July 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm

        I think “children” can legally be a reference to anyone under age 18. You know, like lewd acts with a minor. 18 seems to be the magic age. Even though kids are walking around acting like they are grown and seem to think they have all the rights in the world…they are still children. As long as a parent is legally responsible for their kid (18), they are children. I’ll bet many of the ravers were children.

    • Aaron
      August 22, 2013 at 10:37 pm

      Raves in California are for people ages 18+

      • MIkeyg06
        August 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm

        who runs around checking everyone’s id? or do they have people checking id to get in? I’ve never seen it done at concerts or music festivals… I’ve only been id’d when buying beer and usually its just once, and at that point you get your wristband.
        as I have previously stated, I’ve never been to a rave but from what I read and gather from the post no permits were pulled and many guidelines were not followed it leaves many to wonder if age restrictions are even in place.

  12. july08
    July 8, 2013 at 9:13 am


    • Dan
      July 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      Do you have any evidence of anyone, EVER being abducted from an event like this?

      • PD
        July 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm

        Plenty, a simple google search would provide that evidence for you.

        Here is a similar case in LA county:


        • raversarelamebutharmless
          July 9, 2013 at 12:54 am

          Yes, I have evidence that people have been abducted for raves. But apparently I can’t find any, so i’ll just provide a link that is literally nothing like what I am claiming, and assert that it is similar.

          Are you kidding me? the dangerous situation was created by the police breaking up the party causing people to flee well before the end of the party when their substances had worn off. No one was abducted and all were found, the life and death situation would have been avoided if not for these agressive police tactics.

          Basically this is evidence that the police are not helping at all, and in fact their aggressive tactics make things more dangerous for the ravers, who by and large are good kids going through a particular phase in life. Most clean up their acts after they have been around the scene a few years

    • Nancy P
      July 8, 2013 at 10:39 pm

      well said July8

    • Nancy P
      July 10, 2013 at 1:27 am

      Hey July8, Kids, friends and parents should snap a picture of any car and lic plate of a new friend who is driving you somewhere. Send it to a trusted friend or parent when you take the picture. That way if someone goes missing, there is a clue to start the search.
      I agree there are lots of guys recruiting young girls (boys)and using their current group of hookers to help recruit new girls. Literally charming the pants right off them. Lancaster is in between Disneyland and Vegas. Both a short trip away and both hot spots for hookers.

  13. Josephine Hicks
    July 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I have been to many raves in the middle of nowhere in the a.v. i actually met my husband of 12 yrs at a rave. We have them so far out that we can have fun without ” big brother” watching . As for the whole drug thing THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! It is your choice to do them. Oh the best advice i can give. GO WITH PEOPLE YOU CAN TRUST. IF YOUR BY YOUR SELF YOUR MORE LIKELY TO ACT LIKE A DUMBASS!

  14. Rooney
    July 7, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Thank you LASD!!!!! These people up here complain about you and you’re always doing your job.

    Today’s young people just don’t know how to entertain themselves other than SOME like getting stoned. These Rave parties are very dangerous. My cousin’s son went to one, not knowing what it was about and for many years after had mental and nerve problems because he drank something, not knowing what was in it.

    It is everyone’s right to have fun but not break the law. The ones who were arrested need to be the ones to have to clean up the area and if no one owns the land, then it’s LA County’s.

    For all the trouble makers…….stay in your own cities and out of ours. You’re not welcome!!!!

    • gerry
      July 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm

      There is almost no land in AV that is not owned by someone. One big problem is prosecuting for trespassing is very hard without the land owner signing off on the charges. A lot of the land is owned by people in foreign countries (15-20 years ago, they were pushing land to investors in Japan big time.)

      As for getting permits, I would guess the county would require water, restrooms and possibly an ambulance/EMTS on site because of the dangers, (drugs, snakes)and distance to ER facilities. IF you could get the promoters to provide this to get a permit for this to be held, there is not much the county could do to stop it. But there’s the problem, the promoters probably can not afford to do this. I doubt the promoters have even tried. Instead, they will just whine that they can not do it legally.

  15. Johnny Trece
    July 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Anyone who has anything against raves are Haters. I have never gone to one, yet I respect the desires of those who do go. They are just taking time off from their normal lives.

    • Bob
      July 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm

      You might disagree if they were leaving their trash and crapping up wind from you.

      Then dealing with DUI idiots as they go or leave the area as well.

    • Franco
      July 7, 2013 at 8:48 pm

      To engage in abnormal and illegal activities. They need to get a life.

      • Dan
        July 8, 2013 at 6:13 am

        Yeah! Why don’t they get drunk and talk to an imaginary sky-man on Sundays like NORMAL people!

    • Bruce
      July 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm

      I agree. They are just teens with little to do. They aren’t out to hurt anybody.

      • Franco
        July 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        Teens with little to do? Really? That’s the problem with today’s youth. Too many not doing anything constructive; just ‘doing their thing’ and living with their parents into their 20’s. This country heading for the crapper.

        • A. Richards
          July 7, 2013 at 11:06 pm

          Kids don’t have job opportunities because of the baby boomers bad planning for retirement and they stay around in the workforce instead of retiring so the younger can advance and the even younger can get jobs…. The entry level work force is flooded with people who should be retired and not getting that 2nd career because they can’t stay retired because they were busy trying to keep up with the Jonses through their years and have nothing to stand on…. Everything wrong with this country is because of what the baby boomer generation did…… :-)

    • AVGirl
      July 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm

      You respect the right of people to conduct illegal activities?

      • Johnny Trece
        July 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        I respect the fact that people are imperfect. Anyone who complains about the ravers need a life themselves. They got nothing else to do but complain about others.

        • AVGirl
          July 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm

          Respect I think is the wrong word to use. Understand or accept, but respect?

          Respect: To consider worthy of esteem; to regard with honor.

          I respect one’s right to be different and to have fun, but not when it breaks the law

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm

            The Law – a flawed human device of control
            God gave me freedom

  16. Turd Ferguson
    July 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Good thing we had LEAPS to stop this.Good thing we had LEAPS to stop this.Wutt?Wutt?LEAPS did not stop this?LEAPS did not stop this?

  17. yabbadabba
    July 7, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Why not have junior sheriff’s stationed at each and every exit off of the 14 fwy. Too many cars (transporting young adults/teens) exiting at one at one exit would be a clue. But the posting on social network sites, and knowing that the law checks these out is idiot at best.
    Glad they caught the druggies that are probably from wealthy families.

    • Dan
      July 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      I have a better idea? Why don’t we just let the police install a GPS tracker in every human being on earth, and then when too many gather for an ‘unapproved’ reason they can send in an unmanned drone?

      • AVGirl
        July 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm

        You know there are companies that do implant GPS tracking under the skin.

        And you if you don’t think we aren’t already being tracked via our shopping habits, phone GPS, internet searches etc then you are aren’t as paranoid as I thought you were.

        • Jim
          July 10, 2013 at 3:49 pm

          You would lay down and let them put a chip in you …FOR SURE! Sheep!

      • Franco
        July 8, 2013 at 5:13 pm

        Dan, you’re not a Libertarian per chance?

        • Dan
          July 9, 2013 at 8:14 am

          Anarcho-Libertarian, yes.

  18. AVGirl
    July 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    I am astounded by the people who would argue this is a Constitutional issue. Really? Freedom to assemble has nothing to do with illegal parties.

    That particular argument HAS been used in the past, but not for the same reasons. A promoter cannot be denied a permit based solely on the type of event they want to hold. Since the promoter disregarded regular business practices (failure to obtain a permit, providing restrooms, water, business license and probably a few other requirements)the police had every right to shut him down.

    Now if the promoter had adhered to all requirements and was still denied a permit, then he might have had a case. As it stands, he endangered the wellbeing of many people.

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Did you even read the article? The county explicitly stated they would NOT issue permits to this type of party. Which means the county has made it a Constitutional issue. Hopefully these guys will get in touch with the ACLU, and make the county understand this in court.

      • Justin
        July 7, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        Dan, did you even read the article? It said they cannot permit an event with a dangerous health and safety issue with no bathrooms and no running water while temperatures are over 110. Whether or not they allow (or permit) dangerous situations with public health risks doesn’t mean they don’t issue permits to parties.

      • AVGirl
        July 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        I can just see the promoter giving a deposition or testifying in court.

        He would be torn to shreds.

        Like I said, IF he had tried to do this legally but was denied then and only then would it become a constitutional issue.

        • Dan
          July 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm

          So you are okay with requiring a permit for owning a gun? How about free speech? Should that require a permit?

          • AVGirl
            July 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm

            You do have to have a permit to own a handgun. And even freedom of speech has it’s limits.

            We live in a society which means there are boundaries and rules. You could always buy your own island and enjoy anarchy

          • parker mcclane
            July 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm

            Hey Dan, you may as well give up arguing with AVgirl she has no clue as to what she’s talking about. Permit to own a handgun. What a joke!

          • AVGirl
            July 8, 2013 at 4:45 pm

            See above Ok not the exact same thing as a permit, but you just can’t walk into a store and buy a gun. So they are limits to the right to bear arms

          • parker mcclane
            July 8, 2013 at 5:02 pm

            See you’re still stuck on [removed]. Thinking that you are required to have a permit to own a gun. Any lawful resident of the state can own a gun without a permit. Yeah they have to pass a background check and take a safety course but there is no permit required to own one. I wouldn’t call them limits just government hoops and ways for them to take more money from regular citizens.

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 3:46 pm

            See, AVLiberalgirl (but really a fascist control freak), it is all about making money off the taxpayer. If they can’t make money, it is illegal. More regulation to protect ( steal from citizens). The brainwashing is strong.
            “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

            Dan, this is the major misconception most people have with constitution… by requiring a permit does not mean they are denying anyone their rights… and done why do you continue to compare apples to oranges…

            you or over reacting here…

            when your home was built the builders have to go through the hoops with building permits etc… when concerts are put on in venues they go through the hoops and get all the permits etc… because someone wants to be different and not do what’s required should be shut down. this has nothing to do with permits, instead its about following the guidelines, and yes one of those guidelines is to obtain a permit. these rules and regulations are in place for a reason, to protect the people…

  19. gerry
    July 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    It seems many people miss the fact that the desert is OWNED by someone. In a party like these, people are trespassing and more important, most likely leaving trash behind. Trash that the county inspectors may decide needs to picked up. The chore or cost of picking up this trash falls on the land owner. If a person gets injured or dies on this property, it leaves the land owner open to a lawsuit, even if they never granted permission for the people to be on the property.

    Just because property is open and vacant it is not public.

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Did you actually read the article. This was public land.

      • Justin
        July 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm

        Dan, did you actually read the article? It doesn’t say public land for the specific party sites. “Unincorporated” does not mean unowned.

        • gerry
          July 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm

          Very good Justin, I was just getting ready to post that. Unincorporated as used in the article simply means not in part of an incorporated city (up here within Palmdale or Lancaster city limits.) Most all the land in AV is privately owned, even if no one lives within miles of it. Just because it is vacant does not mean it is for public use. Even most of the barren land north and east of High Vista is privately owned.

  20. Fac Yer Day
    July 7, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    The kids are lucky the cops didn’t open fire. Must not have any dogs with them! Better the kids hang out on street corners or watch tv on a weekend night anyway.

    • Aaron
      August 22, 2013 at 10:41 pm

      Why? There is no violence. And if it wasn’t for raves I wouldn’t be the good person I am today.

  21. Letlow
    July 7, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Inoffensive gatherings my a$$! I saw this atrocity on the news last week and these ravers were partying right on the fire line of the Powerhouse fire!!! The Fox news reporter ratted them out and that how the sheriffs got wind of it. If you think these gatherings are inoffensive, there is something seriously wrong with you! Just for you I’m posting both Fox news links. I dare you to justify this after viewing both news stories.



  22. D
    July 7, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Really people? Rights for people to peacefully assemble? Loud music, drugs and alcohol is not peaceful! Plus, when these people are done partying and they get into their cars to drive home and I’m driving my kids home from a movie… is it their right to drink and drive and kill my family or somebody else’s? You guys are morons! Wait until you have kids and you will not want these people on the road. If they weren’t doing drugs or alcohol, I would have no problem with their peaceful assemble. But, we all know that that will never happen.

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm

      Its hard to imagine why inoffensiveness gatherings would NEED Constitutional protection. But I guess we’ll just let you decide who can gather and who can’t. Care to provide a list of who is deserving of rights and who isn’t?

      • Palmdale_Steve
        July 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm

        Well Dan, as you are a Constitutional Scholar, or play one on Blogs, care to explain which part of the Constitution allows people to gather and engage in illegal acts such as consuming drugs?

        First amendment, Free Speech ?

        Fourth amendment, Unreasonable Search?

        By the way, these “rights” are in the Bill of Rights, not actually in the body of the Constitution.

      • AVGirl
        July 7, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        Goodness, do you even know the reason behind that particular right? I am pretty sure the Founding Fathers didn’t have a bunch of drunk teenagers in mind.

        • Jim
          July 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm

          Nice Strawman!

      • Justin
        July 7, 2013 at 5:16 pm

        Dan, “inoffensiveness gatherings”? I’m not sure if you read the article. “Violents attacks, rapes, overdoses and serious crimes often occur. Car crashes from driving under the influence injuring innocent people and other crimes and community disruptions add to the hazards. The risk of fires spreading due to unsafe bonfires is often present. It is not possible to get a permit for this illegal activity that is also very dangerous to the neighboring public and drivers on the roadways.”

        • Josephine Hicks
          July 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm

          At the 20 raves ive been to no one was raped, no out of control fires, and no one drove under the influence! Maybe because we used our brain and made a fire pit we had sober drivers waiting to take people home and us girls stuck together. Try living the life before you judge it. Dont believe everything the corrupt cops of the a.v say.

          • AVGirl
            July 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm

            Rape is one of the most under-reported crimes ijs. You could not possibly know every single person who attended each of the 20 raves. So you have no idea if someone was or wasn’t hurt.

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

            and you talked to everyone, and they let you know they made it home safe? how do you know no one drive under the influence? you can only speak for yourself not hundred if not thousands of people… I find that very hard to believe not a single person from the 20 raves you went to no one drove under the influence… the out of control fires can be believable, as far as rape, just because you were not raped doesn’t mean anyone else wasn’t… most of the time when something like that happens it goes un reported, and if it does get reported often times no one knew about it. Just because you didn’t hear about it or see it on the news doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

        • joe
          July 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm

          The things you mention also occur at sporting events such as football games, at rock concerts, county fairs, etc. Shall we just ban everything then? Oh no someone did an E at the Rolling Stones show! Better never allow any concert again!

          • Not the same
            July 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm

            Football games, rock concerts, county fairs, etc., are all permitted, licensed, insured, etc.
            Law enforcement is in place as are safety and security procedures.
            Their are permits and procedures that are followed.

            Yes, people still do drugs and drink alcohol at these events, but staff is hired to mitigate problems and awareness is made to the proper authorities long before the event is held.

            When is the last time you attended a county fair that you had to call a phone number 24 hours before to find out where it was being held?

        • Jim
          July 10, 2013 at 3:33 pm

          The American people are condition to RULES 101. Do thy masters (government) bidding. “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” – Ben Franklin

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

            Jim, people like you are taking this way out of context… No one said they cant have their rave… They can have their rave as long as they go and pull permits, and follow the guidelines of hosting such an event… Just remember, these people were on someone else’s property and not their own… if anyone was hurt at this event. The property owner is held liable, whether he knew about this or not. the promoter has no liability in this and doesn’t give 2 shits about anything or anyone in this case, he just wants to throw a rave.

    • Dean
      July 7, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      “Wait til you have kids!” So sick of that phrase.
      What does that have to do with anything? You screaming milk holes do put you ahead of others except for a false sense of entitlement.
      Your kid are kids are YOUR problem!

      • Jim
        July 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm

        Your statement is words without meaning and form.

    • Aaron
      August 22, 2013 at 10:43 pm

      Funny. I have not heard of any deaths due to drug use after a rave since then.

  23. Will
    July 7, 2013 at 11:56 am

    What are they doing that they have to hide so far away? Why not go to a club, concert, house party, or rent a venue?

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 11:58 am

      What does it matter WHY they want to assemble?

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      the right of the people peaceably to assemble

      • Sandy
        July 7, 2013 at 12:06 pm

        It matters why. If it was a group of ADULTS doing things legal, they have no right to stop them, but legally, with minors/alcohol/drugs, they would not be doing a very good job of protecting and serving if they let them out on the street to drive after partying. That being said, as a desert rat straight from the desert parties in the 80’s…I get it!! LOVED them…but they were a much more innocent times than now

        • Dan
          July 7, 2013 at 12:33 pm

          The rallying cry of the modern conservative! “It was okay when I did it, because it was a different time! But YOU should go to jail for doing what I did!”

      • Citizen of AV
        July 8, 2013 at 5:23 am

        “There, a rave was discovered with 80-100 party-goers. The party consisted of two “decks” or D.J’s., neon lighting, generators, tents, alcohol and narcotics.”

        I used to live out in the middle of the desert and had to endure endless music constantly shaking my walls. FTA, doesn’t sound like anything close to people peaceably assembling to me.

        • Jim
          July 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm

          You should have joined them and enjoyed your life. Instead you were drinking cheap beer and passing out watching directv…

  24. Dan
    July 7, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    the right of the people peaceably to assemble
    the right of the people peaceably to assemble
    the right of the people peaceably to assemble
    the right of the people peaceably to assemble

    What is it like to use the US Constitution (which the Police have sworn to uphold) for toilet paper? I’m genuinely curious, and it seems you would know.

    • CptSmashy
      July 7, 2013 at 12:13 pm

      Trying to make a Constitutional argument out of this is BEYOND asinine and smacks of pure ignorance.

      Permitting for these types of events ensure several critical needs are addressed including sanitation, environmental impact and medical.

      • Dan
        July 7, 2013 at 12:27 pm

        Did you read the article? They refuse to permit them, which MAKES it a Constitutional issue. Do we have a right to assemble, or not?

        • AVGirl
          July 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm

          Actually it says they would not permit this type of gathering, not that he was refused.

          Now if the promoter can prove he attempted to obtain a permit after haveing made arrangements for all the requirements, he might have a decent argument.

          Any actually even the right to assemble has it limits. You can’t have 500 people in a building where only 200 should be for example

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm

            Semantics AVgirl! “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” – Ben Franklin

        • MIkeyg06
          August 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

          Dan, read the article again…

          No where does it say they refuse to permit them…

          “At these rave parties, narcotics, Nitrous Oxide (nozz) and alcohol are often abused by teenagers and young people. Violents attacks, rapes, overdoses and serious crimes often occur. Car crashes from driving under the influence injuring innocent people and other crimes and community disruptions add to the hazards. The risk of fires spreading due to unsafe bonfires is often present. It is not possible to get a permit for this illegal activity that is also very dangerous to the neighboring public and drivers on the roadways.”

          I do see that they say its not possible to get a permit for illegal activity…

          If the promoter hires security staff, EMT staff, Fire Dept, notifies the general public of their intentions, has restroom facilities, able to provide water etc. they can get a permit to throw their rave… we all do have our freedoms as long as it doesn’t infringe upon others rights… everything about this rave was illegal, it has nothing to do with the bill of rights or our freedom… if they went the legal route and did what was necessary all would have been good and the rave would have went on…

      • Jim
        July 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm

        Captain Smashed Brain – ” We need more intrusive government, government, and more government to protect you from yourself”

    • gerry
      July 7, 2013 at 2:44 pm

      What part of private land ownership do you not understand? Most of these desert parties happen on other peoples land.

      • Jim
        July 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm

        Show me statistical evidence of that statement Gerry. Otherwise you are supposing this is true.

  25. Pit Bull Owner and Lover
    July 7, 2013 at 9:27 am

    You all sound like idiots. Do none of you have any idea the kinds of drugs involved with these parties? Ecstasy, coke, kids getting high off nos. Not to mention all the alcohol involved. If someone were to die everyone would be wondering where the cops were so be glad they stop this crap before it happens.

    • sammy P
      July 7, 2013 at 10:33 am

      I understand the possibility of there being some problem, but I was a kid once and I know that even IF some kids there planned to do something illegal, the shutting down of this one rave party is not going to stop them. I just disagree with the notion that every time someone wants to go to somewhere remote to have a good time, the police have to put a stop to it.

      The little freedoms we have left just keep getting eroded little by little and Americans will only stand up to the laws that affect them.

      Like pit bulls, we had 1 death recently and people are outraged. I would not be surprised if new laws get enacted that give the police more power to enter the homes of pit bull owners, seize (or shoot) the dogs and take the owners into custody just for owning one.

      Then you might see the light. This is not about kids who may or may not get high or drunk, this is about letting the police have too much power to put a stop to things that “might” happen. Your pit bull might be nice or mean? Should we let the police come to your home and decide for us?

      • Pit Bull Owner and Lover
        July 7, 2013 at 1:44 pm

        You have no argument. There is nothing ok about KIDS partying in the desert on drugs and alcohol. I am 26 years old and know how it is to be a kid and party but even I had enough since, or my parents brought me up right, to know this is illegal. Pit bulls have nothing to do with this subject so you argument is invalid. The police have every right to stop an illegal act from happening and if you have a problem with that then you are part of the problem with this valley.

        • sammy P
          July 7, 2013 at 3:55 pm

          what kids? I see no kids.. is there evidence of kids being there? Those arrested were not kids.. 3 people out of 102 arrested. No mention of any kids at all. And what right did deputies have to detain everyone? just because they were there? My pit bull argument is VERY valid – because you and I both know there are some people who believe your pit bull(s) should be taken away because it might attack and kill some KIDS.

          Of course the odds of that are very slim, you are more likely to die from a coconut dropping on your head then from a pit bull attack. Ok heres my big question- 443,000 people die every year in U.S. due to tobacco ,so… how many deaths per year are attributed to “rave parties”? Go ahead and add pit bull deaths to that number. still won’t even be close.

          If only rave parties had lobbyists.

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm

            They always use THE CHILDREN to take your freedom away. It is called a RED HERRING. Using the possibility that children get hurt is a logical fallacy. We have an uneducated populace unable to think logically. Emotion rules the day! The Children!“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” – Ben Franklin

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm

            Sammy P I can assure you your logic doesn’t hold up here… the numbers may look good on paper… till you look at how many people in the US smoke or come into exposure of smokers (your are making reference to the stats givin on cancer.orgs site, which states “Each year about 443,000 people in the United States die from illnesses related to tobacco use” but not smoking itself)… then compare that to the number of people that attend raves regularly… you would see just attending a rave you have a much higher chance of dying just being there vs staying at home and smoking a cig. or hanging out with a friend smoking a cig. The death tolls are rapidly increasing at these raves… its sad many cities welcome the raves as they bring money into the economy but at an expense…
            here one article out of many that support this…


          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

            As far as children are concerned… its not uncommon to see children at these raves… happens a lot more then you want to lead on…

            “Sasha Rodriguez, 15, a high school drill team member from Los Angeles, died June 29, 2010, after attending Insomniac’s Electric Daisy Carnival at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Rodriguez passed out during the rave and was in respiratory arrest after arriving at the hospital, according to interviews and the coroner’s report. She suffered shocked lungs and brain damage, the report said. The cause of death was Ecstasy intoxication and a resulting failure to receive enough oxygen to the brain.”

            src = “http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-coliseum-rave-deaths/”

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 10:58 am

      I know this is shocking to you nanny-state conservatives, but I don’t think it is the job of the police to protect people from their own decisions.

      • Jason
        July 7, 2013 at 11:03 am

        How about protecting the rest of us from those making their own decisions?

        • Dan
          July 7, 2013 at 11:04 am

          And how is busting a camping rave hundreds of miles away from anything doing that?

          • NIMBY
            July 7, 2013 at 11:57 am

            It’s not hundreds of miles away from everything.
            Some of us live in these remote areas and shouldn’t have to be subjected to these invasions.
            Have your raves at home or rent a hall.

          • Dan
            July 7, 2013 at 11:58 am

            Its not an invasion. Its a Constitutionally protected right. Maybe you should go live in remote China?

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            the right of the people peaceably to assemble

          • Sandy
            July 7, 2013 at 12:09 pm

            Send them your address, let all the minors party at your house, then send them out in their cars to drive on the highway with my family? Really? Because apparently by your standards a 14 yr old has the mental/emotional ability to make safe/proper choices while under the influence. This is NOT about losing freedoms (though THAT is happening EVERYWHERE in the country now) this particular issue is not a freedom issue, it is a public safety issue.

          • CptSmashy
            July 7, 2013 at 12:24 pm

            It absolutely is an invasion.

            For example: 200 people gathering in a remote area without basic restroom facilities is going to leave an enormous mess that ultimately, someone else will have to clean up.

            200 people will generate an enormous amount of trash. With no one legally and financially responsible for the post event clean up (as there is with a permit), who is going to enforce cleaning up the event site?

            Dealer Dan brought a bad batch of drugs to the event and now there are 45 people all having severe, adverse reactions to Dealer Dan’s bad drugs. This sucks up all of the limited emergency medical resources from the area because the event was not permitted and do not have adequate medical support on site.

          • July 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm


          • AVGirl
            July 7, 2013 at 2:10 pm

            More like 10-20 miles from anything, if not closer.

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 2:38 pm

            Sandy is concerned about losing her freedoms but is willing to sacrifice others freedom for “public safety”. The smell of propaganda is strong! “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” -Founding Fathers

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

            “Its not an invasion. Its a Constitutionally protected right. Maybe you should go live in remote China?” – Dan on July 7, 2013 at 11:58 am

            is constitutionally protected right until they break the law and lose that right…

    • Patricia Hayden
      July 7, 2013 at 4:40 pm

      You would be the first one yelling for this to stop if a child died during a drug rave.

      • Dan
        July 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm

        No, I wouldn’t. Because I believe in letting the stupid die. If you can’t take care of yourself, we shouldn’t be taking care of you.

    • joe
      July 9, 2013 at 1:35 pm

      I know right? People also don’t seem to understand that all these drugs and more are done at rock concerts and sporting events as well! How many linebackers have to get caught with cocaine before they declare football a dangerous activity and ban it?!?

    • Aaron
      August 22, 2013 at 10:46 pm

      No one has died yet. People are smart about not overdosing.

      • sikntired
        August 23, 2013 at 12:20 pm

        You are either a dealer or an example of a brain on drugs, you know, fried.

        Heroin overdose mortality rates are up 55% from 2000 to 2010;this from the CDC.

  26. sammy P
    July 7, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Perhaps they should have drove a little farther and found a spot in Kern county. To me this seems like “over policing” – keeping citizens from having a good time because a crime “might” be committed. If only 3 people got arrested then most people there were not breaking the law at all.

    I am glad not every state in America is like this, where every single piece of desert, forest or mountain has to be “patrolled and controlled” by the police, who feel a need to put a stop to anyone who wants to go to a remote location to have a good time with friends.

    • Dan
      July 7, 2013 at 11:10 am

      Colorado in particular has a spectacular music scene, with weekly parties (in season) in the mountains. Thankfully our conservatives tend to lean libertarian, as opposed to these ‘we need to know everything about everyone’ pseudo-conservatives that put an R after their name in most states.

      • Bye Bye
        July 7, 2013 at 1:21 pm

        Dan: The last I checked all the state borders are open between here and Colorado. There is nothing stopping you to go there. If you would like to party there, be my guest. Get your Rockie Mtn. high there. But for those of us who are raising children/teens here in the AV thanks to people like you with the thought process like yours, our job is difficult and we need all the help we can get to keep our children from harm. Thanks LASD for a job well done. Too bad you didn’t have several AV buses handy to load up all the kids and then call there mommies and daddies in the far away places and make them drive to the AV to pick up junior.

        • AVGirl
          July 7, 2013 at 2:12 pm

          If my daughter had done that and I got the call, I would have left her in jail for the night to think things over.

        • Dan
          July 7, 2013 at 4:56 pm

          You do realize the median age at parties like these is closer to 30 than 20, right?

          • france
            July 7, 2013 at 9:55 pm

            not anymore sweetie have u looked more into the current raves?! its more like oldest 27 and younger from there. im def behind them putting a stop to this because if things went wrong then everyone would be firing against the police for not doing their job good enough to stop irresponsible kids like this!

          • Jim
            July 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm

            The Children. THE CHILDREN. Take my freedom for the children!! If you raise your kids with love, drugs will not become the focus of their lives. They may experiment a bit (it is called living), but not get wrapped up in the game because they have a supportive family to turn to when times are tough. These are police state tactics, trying to collect more taxes for the Masters of Society. Law enforcement is stomping on the constitution. But the brainwashing is too strong I guess…ugh. Let Freedom Ring!

          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm

            Dan where do you get your information?

            “According to an analysis of coroners’ and law enforcement reports from nine states, most of the deaths were linked to Ecstasy or similar designer drugs — hallucinogens tightly bound with raves.

            Despite warnings of drug risks from law enforcement and health officials, the raves have received the blessing of local governments hungry for the revenue they deliver.

            “It pretty well fills all the local hotels,” said Judge Dave Barkemeyer, who issued a permit for a Rotella rave in Milam County, Texas. “It brings in a fair amount of commerce.”

            But with the revenue has come the risk of fatal overdoses.

            Most of the dead were in their teens and early 20s, according to records. The youngest was 15-year-old Sasha Rodriguez, who overdosed at Rotella’s 2010 Electric Daisy Carnival at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.”


          • MIkeyg06
            August 26, 2013 at 4:01 pm

            and Dan this is just reports from one promoter out of thousands… and these are from legally held raves that got permits and went through all the hoops… you’ve gotta be kidding if you think these illegal raves are any better that have no kind of enforcement surrounding them…

  27. Jim
    July 7, 2013 at 7:40 am

    No one calls them ” Rave Drug Parties” except propagandists like yourself. While I understand the sheriffs doing their job, the author of this Yella’ journalism should be ashamed of the bias that oozes from the screen. I guess this rag is a lot like the AV Press, pushing corporate propaganda.

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