LASD responds to DOJ findings

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department responded Friday to the Justice Department’s findings that LASD’s Lancaster and Palmdale Stations had engaged in a pattern or practice of stops, searches, and seizures and excessive force in violation of the Constitution and federal law. (Read the findings here.)

The Sheriff’s Department disagrees with many of the conclusions in the DOJ report, however, the department is committed to working closely with the DOJ to assess what, if any, changes need to be implemented. Read the LASD’s full response below:

In August 2011, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ), Civil Rights Division, initiated an investigation into the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s (LASD) Palmdale and Lancaster Stations in response to potential Fair Housing Act violations. Specifically, the DOJ was investigating whether members of the Sheriff’s Department harassed minority residents living in government subsidized housing. This action stemmed from LASD personnel assisting members of the Housing Authority of the County of Los Angeles (HACoLA) during Section 8 compliance check operations. A joint press conference with Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez and Sheriff Lee Baca was held in Downtown Los Angeles at the Hall of Administration to formally announce the investigation.

On December 8, 2011, attorneys from the DOJ, and staff and subject matter experts visited the Antelope Valley and spoke to community members and deputies. Additionally, they asked for and were granted access to observe deputies as they interacted with the community in a patrol setting. The community interactions and observations occurred over a six day period. At the end of their visit, the DOJ and its experts met with Sheriff’s Department executives and identified six areas of concern to the Department; sensitivity about Section 8 issues, segments of the community feeling disenfranchised, concerns about the response times, east vs. west side, maximizing accessibility to the complaint system, racial profiling training, and 4th Amendment issues. The Department immediately began implementing significant changes to its policy and procedures, especially in the areas related to handling requests from the Housing Authority to assist their personnel with compliance checks for Section 8 voucher holders, sensitivity training related to Section 8 issues, bridging the gap between the community and Department, access to Watch Commander’s Service Comment forms, racial profiling training through the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance, and 4th Amendment training.

During the course of their investigation, the DOJ made numerous requests for information and LASD cooperated fully by providing voluminous amounts of policies, procedures, and data for their analysis. After almost two years of probing, the DOJ has concluded, “LASD personnel in the Antelope Valley engage in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional and unlawful policing regarding stops, searches and seizures, excessive force, and discriminatory removal of voucher holders from their homes.” The Sheriff’s Department adamantly disagrees with the DOJ’s assertion. We stand resolute in our belief that the Department has not discriminated against members of the public.

The Sheriff’s Department has collected data on all pedestrian and vehicle stops since 2000; however, there is no standard way to definitively determine the existence of racial profiling or bias-based policing. Although there is no definitive standard to determine racial profiling, the Sheriff’s Department has a policy prohibiting racial profiling and takes significant steps to ensure that it does not exist. Our position concerning data analysis is backed by numerous experts in the field of criminal justice and a DOJ publication, U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, “How to Correctly Collect and Analyze Racial Profiling Data: Your Reputation Depends on It!”

“All parties should understand that examining traffic stops is unlikely to address the finer nuances of defining racial profiling. We do not as yet have an accepted, official definition of racial profiling, much less an operational definition that describes exactly what data should be collected, how they should be collected, and what type of analytical results would definitively identify racial profiling. Until a basic overall definition is specified, the examination of data to determine the existence or extent of racial profiling will, of necessity, be open to interpretation by various stakeholders.”

Although we disagree with many of the conclusions in the DOJ report, we look forward to working closely with the DOJ’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services Technical Assistance Unit to assess what, if any, changes and proposed recommendations need to be implemented. Sheriff Baca has developed and constantly speaks to LASD employees about the Department’s Core Values, a set of guiding principles that shape the culture and focuses Department personnel on what the public expects from those providing service.

“As a leader in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, I commit myself to honorably perform my duties with the respect for the dignity of all people, integrity to do right and fight wrongs, wisdom to apply common sense and fairness in all I do and courage to stand against racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, and bigotry in all its forms.”

These values provide a solid foundation for constitutional and public trust policing because without the full faith and cooperation of the public, the mission of public safety is severely impaired. The LASD is committed to providing the highest level of service, safety, and security to the residents of the Antelope Valley.

Previous related story: DOJ alleges racial discrimination in Antelope Valley

  62 comments for “LASD responds to DOJ findings

  1. $ isdope
    July 6, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I think these cops in palmdale are too much harassing people and asking dumb*** common sense questions waisting my time just because nothing better to do then besides eat a donut or feed their faces. they expect everyone to talk to them like if their our king or god or something they got it all wrong my mother always told me to treat people the way they treat you and ill always remember and idc if your a piece of bacon I aint gonna answer your common sense questions its just a wasting my time and I aint gonna waist my time for a piece of bacon. F**k the system its all f***** up. Catch me at church on a sunday more you pieces of bacon need jesus in your life.

    • U rdope
      July 6, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      “Catch me at church on a sunday more you pieces of bacon need jesus in your life.”

      Yeah, because as we can see church works real well for you.

      • BGF
        July 6, 2013 at 4:41 pm

        Given that religion teaches intolerance & bigotry, it seems his church is working as expected.

  2. ma2babies
    July 3, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I’m Hispanic, mother of to little ones. It’s been more than a handful of times we get pulled over. The excuses I get from cops, my light isn’t working. They ask for license, insurance, check it out and let us go. We never get a ticket. We check all lights and they’re in working conditions. Recently, not even a month ago. I went to the store to get my kids chips and juice. As soon as I pull up to my driveway. There’s a cop speeding up my driveway and the next thing I notice was a gun being pointed at me. I got pulled out and thrown in the backseat. All this in front of my house. They called for a female deputy to search me. Mean while they searched my car for more 20 minutes. Opened a birthday gift I had in the car for my niece. When the female “deputy” got there, she searched me, she was rude and really harsh leaving me marks. I couldn’t believe what was going on, it started to sink in, I was in tears. They apologized, I asked for the female’s name and they refused to give me her name because she wasn’t a really deputy, she was just volunteering. They we’re very apologetic but the damage was done. Half way of this nightmare I’m told I got pulled over because the center back light was out, which turned out to be a lie. I swear I couldn’t stop crying that day. My tears were because I felt hurt, harassed, mistreated, powerless, like a nobody. I’m glad my kids were inside in the tub so they didn’t see anything. I was going to file a complaint but fear that those cops would find out I did and then I would get harassed, get tickets or something like that. We have clean records, no tickets, never been arrested. I just don’t get it. They suppose to protect us from harm and not cause it.

    • rome
      July 6, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      I am so sorry that something like that happened to you. Something similar happened to a business associate of mine and my own sister. That’s just not justice.

  3. AmpGoesTo11
    July 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Now that the DOJ has made this determination, where’s the Federal Consent Decree. Where’s William Christopher? Where are the public hearings? I count exactly zero heads rolling so far.

    It’s too bad that LASD is so deeply involved with NATs. Otherwise supportive citizens are now on the opposite side as Law Enforcement.

    Funny, you trample peoples civil rights, completely disregard the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution, while being used by other agencies to notify honest home owners of an alleged code or ordinance violation.

    For the first time in my life, I find myself on the same side as some a hole gang banger

    The reason that most of us love the US Military here in this great Country is due to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The Military can not be used AGAINST the population.

    Unfortunately, :LASD is participating in Nuisance Abatement Team raids. Now many of the people who always have been, and otherwise would be completely behind the cop on the beat, find themselves being assaulted by LASD in their homes…. all for the sake of Building and Safety or Animal Control to make a buck or pursue a vendetta.

    LASD doesn’t think that there are enough bad guys as it is. They’re now actively participating in un-Constitutional, heavily armed, paramilitary style raids

    Now that the Feds are involved, I can’t wait to be interviewed and to give them copies of the carefully documented attack on my family by Antonovich and his sworn muscle.

    Gang bangin’ vermin, parasites and [removed], will never like or support Law Enforcement. It’s too bad that LASD is slowly alienating good people too.

    I now tend towards the same view towards LASD as the low life’s that prey among the community…. Something is terribly wrong.

    This corruption goes up the food chain to Supervisor Antonovitch and DA Lacey. Where’s the Concent Decree?

    • PO'd Yank
      July 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm

      Hmmm….an abated nuisance heard from??

      • Jill Donegan
        July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm

        No worries mate. They don’t enforce violations of the laws of nature. You’ll be OK

    • NAT Watch
      July 1, 2013 at 6:09 pm

      I’ve seen quite a few NAT raids, but I’ve never seen LASD involved.
      Those that I have witnessed usually involve Code Enforcement, Animal Control, and LAC District Attorney Police Officers.

      • J. Webb
        July 3, 2013 at 10:17 am

        LA County DA investigators and County Police have no real crimes to investigate? The DA has excess funds to go after good citizens for code infractions? Evidently the DA has too much free time and money to burn.

        These “investigators” are in the twilight of their careers. Many have hung in well beyond that. Their flaccid bodies can’t jump fences or prevail in a foot pursuit, so they go after the easy targets. Honest, law abiding, tax paying citizens.

        Go after real criminals and leave good people alone.

        Even though they’ve won the proverbial lottery with Government make-work assignments, they have some of the worst attitudes.

        Many of these guys have take home vehicles while other agencies are cash strapped and laying people off.

        DA Lacey must have too many people on her payroll if they have time to victimize honest people.

  4. 10 dog
    July 1, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Don’t brake the law and you will,not have to worry. I think the DOJ is the one’s who should be investigated.

    • Johnny Gage
      July 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      That’s the point exactly. People who have broken no laws are being harassed, jailed and fined for non existent or trumped up “offenses”.

      • PO'd Yank
        July 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm

        And your proof is? Names, dates, places?

        • saywhat?
          July 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm

          Go visit the courthouse and sit for a week and actually TALK with the accused. Listen the the DAs and PDs talking to each other. There you will find your proof. Local DAs complain to attorneys their BOSS won’t let them dismiss cases they even think are BS.

          • Shaft
            July 3, 2013 at 9:17 am

            Exactly. The DAs Office is frittering away scarce tax dollars by perusing crap charges against property owners. That’s one of the many reasons that the County court system just handed out hundreds of pink slips.


            I say good riddance. When the Government targets good people, they lose the support of the masses that would otherwise be in their corner.

            If the County wants to waste valuable docket time
            going after hard working home owners instead of violent criminals than they’ve sealed their own fate.

            With the way our court system has been used as a club to beat honest people over the head for barking dogs, I want more court system lay offs so that the system will be forced to only go after real crime and criminals again.

            Additional lay offs are coming, mark my words. I feel no sympathy for those in a court system prosecuting people based on race, as well as hard working property owners for trivial things.

        • EightThirtydotOne
          July 3, 2013 at 12:33 pm

          Proof?… Isn’t that what the DOJ just determined? Do you ever read an entire article? You appear to only read the headline and then come chargin’ in, guns a blazin’ to share your deep thought.

          How about canning your knee-jerk, snarky, useless, self- aggrandizing comments here. I see your whiny,drivel all over the place here. Much of the steamy piles of verbal residue generated by you have little or no value.

          I get the impression that you just like to see your name posted here, regardless of the ridiculous things you say to get it there.

          Get a job Skippy.

  5. yabbadabba
    July 1, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Best thing anyone of color can do is be very vigilante when out and about as well as at home. Whenever I see a young man/group pulled over by the L.A.S.D. is to observe that the person/people being questioned or checked out, are not being harassed or bullied by a sheriff. It’s difficult to do while driving, but it can be done and if you have time, make a u-turn and return to be sure all is safe for the suspects. You are also being watchful for the L.A.S.D. in case something goes wrong. But don’t go out of you way to get hurt, just watch out for our young people of color…Many do not mean wrong and it’s just the way they’ve been schooled at home and in hoods.

  6. yabbadabba
    July 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Unfortunately, this finding will cause people/thugs to be disrespectful to the L.A. County Sheriff’s in the Antelope Valley.
    I do not agree with the method used by the L.A.S.D. 100%, but they are doing their job and I appreciate their effort to keep us law-abiding citizens safe.
    I’ve lived here for over 20 years and have seen this area turn in to Compton or South Central, and this is obvious as you drive around as there is definitely a larger number of African-Americans/blacks in this area. The look of the young people or rather their fashion statements make it obvious that they are either in a gang or are wannabe-gang members. It is sad that there is not enough to do up here in the high desert that requires money (lot’s of it). The fact that it is hot, no where to hang out except at parties or parks, etc., makes the crime rate go much higher.

  7. Son of the Anti Rex
    June 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Once again the big mouth and belligerent attitude of Rex and his ilk have brought more unflattering attention to the vally.

  8. sikntired
    June 30, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Think it’s time we had a Law and Order Rally up here.

  9. AV Res
    June 30, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Ever been in their station. There is an old sign in their briefing room that reads “You are part of a dying breed, cops who live where they work, be a good neighbor”. Those of you who believe people should be able to keep their free housing while their children make victims of their neighbors, I don’t know what to tell you. Deputies do one thing that I know and that’s arrest violators. Sorry if one demographic just happens to commit more crime than another. Go ask a white criminal (tweeker, skinhead, biker) if the deputies are “nice” to them.

    • PO'd Yank
      July 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

      Kudos, AV Res, well said!

    • rome
      July 2, 2013 at 2:44 am

      It’s nice to know that they have a sign like that as a reminder. Not sure how many of them incorporate that attitude on the streets or how many actually do live in this area. I am sure that being part of any ‘demographic’ does not mean that you should expect or tolerate yourself to be subject to unfair searches, detaining, or questioning. If we are in the business of determining character by appearance, it would be sort of pointless to ‘ask a white criminal (tweeker, skinhead, biker)’ anything about deputies since most of our local deputies fit into those demographics. Its counter productive to perpetuate the “us against them” mentality which most of the kids of the ‘free housing’ recipients have witnessed first hand, since it only furthers the problems. Just like the Rodney King video was not enough proof of use of ‘excessive force’ for some people. Just because you have a prejudice against or for a group or class of people does not change the rights afforded those people. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

  10. Phil
    June 30, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I am a Middle white male on section 8, .. I have noticed that the older members of the dept. out here go above and beyond their duty, .. however; the skinhead cops that they have are really a bit over zealous and they say and do some very radical things. The sheriffs dept. should probably look into that a bit.

    Also as a white male who is clean as a whistle – I don’t do illegal things because (meh, not my thing) and out here – you WILL get picked up, found out; and the methods they use such as car searches and placing people in the back of vehicles has probably (don’t know the stats) reduces any confrontational issues while they clear the drug crap out of our cities; because of my poverty level I have seen and know of mainly only white folk of lower class being picked up and harassed – but ya know what? those people were doing something bad and got caught.

    My car was stolen .. TWICE! the second time by a younger ethnic person – even though the car was totaled they tried their best to see the good in the kid that stole it and even asked me what I wanted to do about it. The older generation part of the force in my opinion is not out to condemn everyone on whim…. however, in the same position the first time – the skinhead cop, was and used verbage like “get these mother***ers to jail”.

    Life is not black and white, (not talking skin color) .. and I believe the older generation of the force out here knows that (Probably through experience). It’s the younger ones that have gotten into a pack mentality that probably should be given a bit more training.

    HOWEVER Even though I write this, just not 7-8 years ago I couldn’t walk down my old street I used to live on without getting harassed and one time mugged. .. I drive by that neighborhood now and it’s beautiful.

    The police are doing right by our law abiding citizens like myself, and for that I am appreciative. I also want to say thank you to the people in the law enforcement community that work with the our cities occupants to make sure both the laws are upheld but also our rights. To those others in the police force out here, get some communication training.


    • sikntired
      June 30, 2013 at 2:16 pm

      It’s scarier to me that the cop asked you what you wanted to do about it- makes no sense at all unless he didn’t want to do the paperwork.Last time I checked auto theft was a crime.

      • Stinger
        June 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm

        sikntired, you must be relatively new to the AV (less than 20 years). Back in the day, more residents knew each other out here than they do now and a lot of crimes were able to be handled in a more nonjudicial way than today. This wasn’t considered a bad thing when you knew your neighbors (and their kids) fairly well and knew that handling things outside of the courts would be pretty effective. Nowadays, you can’t be so certain of such things, so we have to be more legally based.

        I do miss the old days out here in the AV, though. A time when you knew nearly all of the Deputies, as well as their kids and families, and they knew you and yours.

        • sikntired
          June 30, 2013 at 7:05 pm

          Not that new, twenty five years and my husband grew up here.He was a bad boy who was given the option to join the military or go to jail.
          How does anyone learn to do the right thing
          if people keep cutting them slack?

  11. OPENurEYES
    June 30, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I don’t quite understand why my comment submitted on 6-29-13 at 4:41pm was not posted? Is there something objectionable or did I violate some kind of AV Times rules? I’ve seen some pretty harsh comments make it to post before on this site. What was wrong with mine?

    • Notagain
      July 1, 2013 at 8:49 am


  12. Watchful eyes
    June 29, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    I’ve seen alot of post on here claiming racism and blaming the LASD and government agencies. Someone even posted that some parents must have done a bad job if there are bad cops out there. Wake the hell up people. I am an African American man. I have lived in the Av for about 4 years and I have seen the type of crimnal activity that goes on out here. I have seen the charfachter of alot of the so called harassed. Give me a break, how come noone of color is posting comments about the shame they feel that the young people of color out here are bringing this plague on themselves. Kids, parents, young women, young men are carrying themselves as if they are not accountable to anyone. Ed ucation does not seem to be important but being ignorant, disrespcetful are. I am down right embarrased at times when I am out in public and I see and here some of the actions, behaviors and conversations I do. The profanity laced “discipline” a young child receives from a mother because she is angry that the father isn’t around so takes it out on the 1 of 6 kids she has from 4 different fathers. This is feeding a negative spirit of a child who simply needs to be loved, now this child grows up to be angry that dad is not around and mom is a cold bitter piece. This cycle perpetuates itself because it is accepted and settled for within our minority community. Bil Cosby was right on a few years ago with his assestment of the black community, and our fake church leaders who are more interested in filling their pews and financial gain continue to lead the charge for the sake of headlines. they should be working hand in hand with LASD in the effort to help young familied lift their spirits and elevate their minds instead of taking the Jesse Jackson route because that makes them more popular and safe in a community that they themselves are scared to death to not only live in but actually nlead in a hardline spitritual capacity that is needed. Don’t believe me? go out into either Palmdale or Lancaster and juat pay attention, really listen and see. Her this foul mothed little onne who learn from the foul mouthed older ones and how every one wants to be quick to “catch that fade” or be “gangsta”. But let one of their little devils get killed or do the killing and its either please anyone with info please help or my child is not a thug. it’s easier to blame the very same authority that you call when tragedy strikes, for the ills of our Antelope valley. Walk the streets during the school year and see the truancy, kids are everywhere but school and where are the parents? Home getting high or at home making more babies they can”t afford to take care of. How about blaming the people that are actually responsible. The headlines are reading loud and clear the crimes and in what communities they are happening in. Home invasion robberies, shootings, businesses being robbed and not one headline has said and LASD Deputy is wanted for the crime. wake up, step up, or shut up. from a concerned, fed up black man born and raised in the hood but was smart enough to wnat to break the cycle within his own family. More of us should be doing the same.

    • Nancy P
      June 29, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      well said.

    • Uncle Tom
      June 30, 2013 at 9:13 am

      Agree, with this addition. Whether its your skin color, the language spoken, or your ethnic background, all have problems in the community. The most vocal right now are the ‘minorities’ who feel they are targeted, but there are bad values and criminals all around. I can’t argue with this persons comment, and I wish more people could see the light of it. The smart ones in the community know the truth and are actively trying to do right and make things better. If only more members of these ‘targeted’ minorities would stand up together and be heard so that the vast majority of people can see that its not racial profiling or ethnic profiling, its activity profiling. Clean it up or doom yourself and your community to live in the gutter and be a focus of law enforcement, pretty simple stuff.

    • James Biddle
      June 30, 2013 at 9:34 am

      I too agree. As a white male who has had the pleasure of working with (and as close friends) many black individuals who echo your post. I think the media is responsible for stereo-typing blacks in a negative way.

      At the end of the day, we are all responsible for our actions, whether black, white, brown or cop (yes cops too!) When you do wrong, you need to be held accountable.

      • OPENurEYES
        June 30, 2013 at 9:44 am

        I agree with all of the above. The difference I see is the cops actually hold their individuals accountable when they are caught screwing up. To bad we don’t do the same of certain individuals who violate our laws or welfare programs.

  13. Notagain
    June 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm


    • Det. Dan Welle
      June 29, 2013 at 4:04 pm

      Thanks for your support Ma’am. I think I can speak for my partners in saying we appreciate it. Anyone reading this reply. I am currently working several shootings as well as assisting homicide in their investigations. If you have information please call the station and ask for me. Speaking anonymously is not an issue but we always need to speak to eyewitnesses.

  14. MaryMary
    June 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    LASD is front and center in Nuisance Abatement Team, armed raids. LASD is being duped by other agencies to do their bidding. If LASD continues to aid and abet the infringement of the civil rights of tax paying, law abiding citizens, then they get what they get.

    Sheriff’s Captains and Watch Commanders who divert critical law enforcement resources in order to ruin John Q Citizen must pay.

    LASD and County officials and low level agents will forfeit their careers, pensions, and then their relationship and family if they continue to trample civil rights.

    Building and Safety and Animal Control are also running a mock.

    File personnel complaints and let’s start looking at a class action suit against the County and each individual agency. Go after the government offender personally by suing them directly. The head of the snake is Supervisor Antonovich. Antonovich formed the program and has been looking the other way while it rapes and pillages from honest, hard working, law abiding citizens.

    I’m a life long, descent, law abiding citizen who is still, and has been very pro law enforcement. If you can turn a person like me, things are pretty bad.

    County agencies (animal control and building and safety, law enforcement, the DA) are steam rolling good people and leaving human tragedy in their wake.

    The County will throw many agencies at you to swarm you. In short order, you’ll find yourself being bled financially in order to stay out of jail and to comply with false and trumped up allegations and truck loads of fines/fees/penalties.

    They’ll work in concert to ruin you financially and exercise vendettas. They use County resources to retaliate. Antonovich not only knows about it, but is actively encouraging it.

    L.A. County’s Private Property War

    Google “Phonehenge” and “Desert Rats harrassed by NAT Teams”…. It goes on and on. Honest, descent, law abiding citizens being chewed up by a corrupt, run-away machine. The County will bleed you of money, time and resources in pursuit of personnel vendettas.

    LA County will trample your civil rights in a heart beat…. with impunity, evidently. They’ll jail you for code violations and trivial and false issues.

    They’re tearing apart families and causing good folks to lose their homes.

    Antonovich must go. The Feds must be brought in … again…. to investigate Nuisance Abatement Teams.

    I’ve enjoyed the AV Times. They appear to have the inside scoop on Fire and Law Enforcement issues. They have appeared to do a good job in reporting current events in an unbiased way They need to look into County NAT Teams

    We read hear every excruciating word that RX Perris utters, how about doing a story or two about average people and how they’re being victimized and ruined by the County.

    The AV Times isn’t worth it’s salt if it doesn’t investigate. I know now that they’ll remove my post for calling them out. I’m going to take a screen shot of this post online, before the censor it. Are they truly unbiased or are they too connected with the County?

    I’m going to create a web site to chronicle LA County abuses. I’m going to form a non-profit in order to raise money to turn the tables on the County, on behalf of honest people who are being run over. We need to legally go after the County, these rogue agencies, and individual “civil servants”.

    We must all band together until the County leaves us alone…. as honest citizens merely trying to scrape out a living and pursue happiness, unmolested by the people hired to SERVE US.

    LA County doesn’t respect the 4th Amendment at all…. we need the Feds… again.

    Let’s bring in legions of lawyers now and collectively, legally, go for their throats in court. Let’s cost them all tons of money.

    Let’s financially hit the County AND the rogue personnel that the County refuses to keep on a leash… then peruse criminal actions that will undoubtedly be revealed in the plethora of coming depositions.

    It’s on…. Let’s do this!

    • James P. Biddle
      June 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      As much as I would like to say that you’re full of s**t, I can’t. I think you are right. A lot of what has caused the Lancaster station to be involved in these antics is none other than R. Rex.

      Palmdale just got dragged into this by the antics of R. Rex and Michael A.

      Good luck with your endeavor.

    • Brenda P
      July 1, 2013 at 10:36 am

      The LAWeekly article at the link scared me. Why are they doing this?

  15. John Abbot
    June 29, 2013 at 12:12 am


    • ryeneshia Jackson
      June 29, 2013 at 12:55 am

      hmmm you just figuering this out now why would LASD help put two citys that are very infested with thugs drug dealers gang members teenagers robbing and section 8 abuse welfare fraud child abuse just saying

    • James P. Biddle
      June 29, 2013 at 3:06 pm


      Right on. This cannot be allowed to continue. I’m a firm believer in the US Constitution (the gift of our founding fathers.)

    • sikntired
      June 29, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      Have you seen our deputies? They represent just about every race and sec.

      • sikntired
        June 29, 2013 at 3:25 pm


  16. Dale Wade
    June 29, 2013 at 12:10 am

    This is pathetic the AV can do better!!!

  17. Tish Smith
    June 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    The cops out here don’t do a good job. We can use new ones. Raising a community to be racist and sterotypical against one another isn’t good. We should be better than that. Shame on these ignorant cops!

  18. Mark Johnson
    June 28, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    I really am not shocked about this. It’s the Antelope Valley. You can’t look a certain way and have a nice car without it being suspected of being stolen. The racism never stops and its sad that cops people who SHOULD be here to protect sit there and feel above the law and a paid racist. They really need to be reformed. No matter what color a person is there blood is all the same. I think people should grow up. Im white and believe LASD is racist. I hear so many negative stories and its time that people take a stand.

    • faith
      June 29, 2013 at 10:19 am

      you rigth i remember my son got stop in lancaster and the reason because of his new truck he even asked the deputie why he was being stop n he was ignored by the deputie

  19. Michelle Johnson
    June 28, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Finally they see the truth. These cops sit around and discriminate against others and are completly biased. There needs to be changes. I have no respect for LASD they need to fire everyone and start over.

    • PO'd Yank
      June 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm

      Yeah…how many times have you been busted ‘for doing nothing’? Sour grapes.

  20. john
    June 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    LASD, thank you for all that you do to protect the good people in this valley. People often talk their smack about how tired they are of these “cowboys”. They probably hear one side of the story, which is most likely coming from the bad man anyway. All the people hear talking smack about our Deputies but they dont realize all of what they have to put up with. These Deputies care about the community and are trying to make a difference,even without the community’s support. Iam tired of people thinking they deserve stuff,such as free or low cost housing when they are able to work but choose not to. They are taking advantage of the system and that is why we are in the economical nightmare that we’re in. GOD bless this country and protect our heroes and dont let them back down to all these ignorant criminal people who think they are entitled.

    • James P. Biddle
      June 29, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      I think that a majority of the deputies out here are fantastic. They are just following orders of their superiors.

      I think the problem stems from LASD management (and in Lancaster’s case) R. Rex interferes and has undue influence, which goes up t he chain of command t hat has influence over Mike A. It then trickles back down to Palmdale and it’s in the form of a new policy (which they must follow.)

      Next election day, I suggest you clean house.

  21. Will
    June 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “Back in the days of Sherlock Holmes, a man was judged by a clue. Now he’s judged by if he’s Spanish, Black, Italian, or Jew.” – KRSone

  22. Johnny Trece
    June 28, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    I, among many other victims, are glad that the Department of Justice is cracking down on these high desert cowboys (Palmdale & Lancaster S.D.). I don’t think it’s good at all to arrest or detain innocent civilians and beat people up (on and off record). I have been keeping my eyes and ears to the streets for so many years and I’m sick and tired of witnessing and hearing all the wrong-doings and misconducts of these cowboys. As for those Deputies that have been doing their job well and by the book, great job and keep up the good work.

  23. Greeneyes
    June 28, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    My hubby is a retired LASD and he°s told me lots of stories so I have great respect for the police. I am afraid living up here and the police have their hands full. We need more! If people think there is racism then people need to be lawful. It goes both ways. I have been called a racist remark and I°m White.

  24. ed
    June 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    L.A.S.D. You are expected to protect us ALL. That’s what you
    are paid for. Follow the rules provided by your Chief and the Constitution.

  25. AVcares
    June 28, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Keep doing your job, Don’t back down!!!
    Your all doing a great job trying to keep our streets safe, and that’s not a easy job to do with all the scum that’s here in the AV. Too bad we can’t get more officers up here.
    Thanks for all that you do!!!

    • Greeneyes
      June 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm


      • Fed Up
        June 29, 2013 at 11:16 am


    • Yup
      June 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      1000% agree! How about you stop being a thug and getting into trouble and the police will stop bothering you! I’m not white an I have never been bothered by the sheriffs. Keep doing what you are doing ladies and gentlemen!

  26. Nancy P
    June 28, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    L.A.S.D, thank you for what you do on a daily basis. You all go out there and put yourselves in harm’s way to protect whatever law and order you decide is important. (sarcasm off)

  27. sikntired
    June 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    L.A.S.D, thank you for what you do on a daily basis.You all go out there and put yourselves in harm’s way to protect whatever law and order we have left up here.
    Again, thanks

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