UPDATED: DOJ alleges racial discrimination in Antelope Valley

Residents packed the Center of Light Church in Lancaster in Dec. 2011 for a chance to speak with DOJ attorneys and investigators.

Residents packed the Center of Light Church in Lancaster in Dec. 2011 for a chance to speak with DOJ attorneys and investigators. The findings of the lengthy investigation were revealed on June 28, 2013.

ANTELOPE VALLEY – The Justice Department Civil Rights Division on Friday (June 28) released a letter detailing its findings that Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s (LASD) Lancaster and Palmdale stations engaged in a pattern or practice of stops, searches, and seizures and excessive force in violation of the Constitution and federal law.

In addition, the Justice Department found a pattern or practice of discrimination against African Americans in its enforcement of the Housing Choice Voucher Program (commonly known as Section 8), in violation of the Fair Housing Act.  The investigation, launched on Aug. 19, 2011, was brought under to the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the federal Fair Housing Act.

DOJ's findings revealed a widespread use of unlawful backseat detentions violating the Fourth Amendment and LASD policy, DOJ authorities said.

DOJ’s findings revealed a widespread use of unlawful backseat detentions violating the Fourth Amendment and LASD policy, DOJ authorities said.

The findings were based on a comprehensive investigation of LASD’s Antelope Valley stations, that included an in-depth review of documents and data provided by LASD and the Housing Authority of the County of Los Angeles (HACoLA), as well as extensive community engagement.

The division reviewed tens of thousands of pages of documents, including written policies and procedures, training materials, arrest reports and civilian complaints.  The division also conducted interviews of Antelope Valley deputies and unit commanders, local government officials and hundreds of community members.

The investigation also included statistical analyses of the Antelope Valley stations’ search and seizure data of pedestrian and vehicle contacts for the entire calendar year of 2011.

The division’s investigation into the Antelope Valley stations findings include:

  • African Americans, and to a lesser extent Latinos, are more likely to be stopped and/or searched than whites, even when controlling for factors other than race, such as crime rates;
  • The widespread use of unlawful backseat detentions violating the Fourth Amendment and LASD policy;
  • A pattern of unreasonable force, including a pattern of the use of force against handcuffed individuals;
  • A pattern of intimidation and harassment of African-American housing choice voucher holders by LASD deputies, often in conjunction with HACoLA investigators.
  • Inadequate implementation of accountability measures to intervene on unconstitutional conduct has allowed these problems to occur.

Sheriff Leroy Baca and HACoLA Executive Director Sean Rogan were cooperative throughout the investigation and immediately began working with the Justice Department to negotiate a remedy to the problems revealed by the investigation, according to a DOJ news release.

“We are encouraged by the response of Los Angeles County to our findings.  While our investigation showed significant problems in LASD’s Antelope Valley stations, we are confident that we will be able to reach an agreement that will provide meaningful and sustainable reform,” said Roy L. Austin Jr., Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division.  “We look forward to continuing our positive partnership with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department and HACoLA and believe this work will help restore the community’s confidence in fair, equitable, and effective law enforcement.”

The Justice Department and Los Angeles County have reached preliminary agreements to make broad changes to policing in the Antelope Valley and to the enforcement of the Housing Choice Voucher Program (Section 8).

The proposed changes set out in the statement of intent include:

  • Revision of LASD’s policies, directives, training, and practices so that stops, searches, and seizures by Antelope Valley deputies are consistently conducted in accordance with the law.
  • A commitment to further strengthening and uniformly implementing protocols regarding HACoLA’s investigation of housing choice voucher holders’ compliance with program rules, including LASD deputy participation in those investigations.
  • Provision of training that will focus on how bias may occur in law enforcement activity, and on the effects of bias on subjects of law enforcement activity.  Training will also educate LASD and HACoLA personnel on federal and constitutional obligations, including the requirements of the Fair Housing Act.
  • Revision of LASD’s use of force policies, training curricula, and any relevant directives, bulletins, or defensive tactics manuals to provide clear guidance about the reasonable use of force.
  • Continued and increased positive community engagement by LASD in the Antelope Valley, including participating in local community meetings, making itself available for community feedback, developing the Community Advisory Committees (CAC), and working with the community on the development of diversion programs.

In addition to its investigation of LASD, the Civil Rights Division conducted an investigation under the Fair Housing Act of the HACoLA, and the cities of Palmdale and Lancaster, to determine whether there has been a systematic effort by these entities to discriminate against African Americans.

As a result of the Department’s findings, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights has authorized the filing of a complaint in federal district court against the County of Los Angeles, HACoLA, LASD, and the Cities of Lancaster and Palmdale for alleged violations of federal law.  Through the ongoing negotiations, all of the parties seek to avoid contested litigation and resolve the matter in a comprehensive agreement to be entered as an order of the court.

UPDATED: 6/29/13: Read the DOJ’s Antelope Valley “findings letter” in full here. Read the LASD’s Statement of Intent here. Read the County Housing Authority’s Statement of Intent here.

(Information via press release from the U.S. Justice Department Civil Rights Division.)

Previous related stories:

Lancaster resolves Section 8 lawsuit, both sides to form committee

Palmdale settles Section 8 discrimination lawsuit

Civil rights activists: It’s a great day for Section 8 tenants!

DOJ attorneys, investigators hear from AV residents

DOJ meets with AV community leaders

Section 8 lawsuit spurs federal investigation into racial discrimination in the Antelope Valley

  115 comments for “UPDATED: DOJ alleges racial discrimination in Antelope Valley

  1. Moenna
    July 2, 2013 at 8:58 am

    A few years ago, my husband left to pick up some groceries. It was late at night. On his key chain, he had our alarm fob. When putting the keys in his pocket, it set off our alarm. when the alarm company called me, to identify myself, I could not remember our password. Just minutes later, my home was surrounded by several men of our local Sheriff’s department, with guns drawn and telling me to come out of the house. Even though I was in my nightgown, I was questioned extensively and my house was searched. While it was embarrassing, I certainly was not upset. I hope if I am not home and some criminal is in my house, our Sheriffs will be just as diligent. With hands tied, due to some frivolous complaints, we will all be a little less safe.

  2. Grandma Jones
    June 30, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Supervisor Antonovich and District Attorney Lacey are the problem.

    He’s organized squads and platoons of heavily armed, paramilitary, raid ready so called civil servants to harass and victimize the law abiding people in the Antelope Valley. They want your money and they’ll trash your life to get it.

    I hope that some pencil pushing, mind numb, bureaucrat never comes after you, your life savings and your home.

    Antonovich’ brown shirts may be coming for you next. Vote him out of office. He’s been there, tormenting good folks, for far too long. Donate to his adversary. Expose corruption and illegality in his office.

    The U.S. Justice Department Civil Rights Division is being kept abreast of current local issues. Assist the ongoing Federal investigation when they come after you or you see blatant breaches of civil rights (Race, Illegal Detention, Illegal Search and Seizure, False Charges, Harassment,… etc.)

    Heavy handed tactics should not be deployed in order to “investigate” Building and Safety and Animal Control issues. There’s absolutely zero justification that local ordinance infractions, or more often the mere anonymous allegation of an infraction, should warrant armed bands of County thugs to victimize honest citizens.

    What has become of our civil rights. When did we take this turn towards this police state on steroids, perpetually in pursuit of the almighty dollar in the form of fines and fees?

    I didn’t get the memo. When did it become alright to have a squad of heavily armed, overweight, high school educated, overpaid, code enforcement and animal control flunkies make dynamic entries? What’s next, a SWAT call-up and flash bangs?

    When did the AV cease being part of the United States of America? When was the trampling the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution deemed to be SOP?…. and by whom?

    What do they know and when did they know it? These questions must be asked. There are years of substantiation and hundreds of common citizens who will tell the same story.

    Answer…. When Antonovitch organized, funded and gave Nuisance Abatement Teams their marching orders to assault us all.

    District Attorney Jackie Lacey has to go for all of the above reasons as well. She has allowed her Department and Investigators to be used as a hammer to assist County agencies that enforce local ordinances. These are ordnances, they’re not felony warrants.

    Come election day, remember these fat cat politicians and beaurocrats and how they’ve not only allowed this un-Constitutional frontal assault on good people.

    Get their raids on video tape, this is one of many very effective litigation tools. Get video surveillance for your home and ranch. Have an audio recorder running in your house whenever you answer the door or see LA County SEAL Team wannabees rappelling out of UH 60s, onto your property, to write you an infraction that could have been mailed.

    What does this waste and corruption cost tax payers? The Deputy on the street, does a good job for the most part. We don’t have enough of them to chase real crime and criminals but we can divert them to kick Grandma’s door for a code violation?

    File civil rights charges. Tie the County up for years in court. Bleed it financially. Then go for the huge dollar civil suit when one of these yahoos with guns, kills a grandma trying to contain her dogs.

    Look into the pasts of Department Heads who allow these civil rights assaults. They’re dragging LASD into unlimited civil liability situations.

    Then, go after them all as citizens. Sue them personally so that these people who are there to serve us, know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a legal action onslaught. Where’s the accountability? Where’s the over sight?

    What self respecting Deputy would want to be used by the likes of NAT? Some light duty has been or never was, who just got off of an extended tour on a desk? Just what we need, some Tombstone watching, frustrated Wyatt Earp impersonator, running around kicking doors for animal control.

    Why not just call in an air strike and soften Grandma up first? Then make the dynamic entry, prone her out, then cuff and stuff her for having one dog too many.

    Antonivich and Lacey have to go. When the Feds are done investigating, I know that there will be at least two vacancies in County Government. These days, Government overreach and intrusion is at an all time high. Antonivich and Lacey are at the tip of the spear with their matching brown shirts.

    One way or the other, we will get liberty and justice for all in the AV… once we purge, in a court of law or in the voting booth, the cancer that is attacking us all.

    • Louis G.
      June 30, 2013 at 2:05 pm

      Many of the DA investigators are the old, lame, sick, infirm or inept. Many are retired cops double dipping. How many are conduction their code enforcement raids on overtime? This should all be looked at. Other Departments are having furloughs and cut backs while the DA has teams to go after honest people? Is the DA’s Office operating in the black? Nope. Does the DA have too many resources and can afford to reassign their people to attack home owners? Nope. I’m tired of this too

    • Arlette
      July 1, 2013 at 10:22 am

      Is this really happening in the AV? I sure hope that things haven’t gotten to this.

      • F. Albert
        July 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm

        Arlette, it’s worse. Everybody except criminals want LASD to continue to enforce the law and keep the community safe. LASD is now going after honest people in their homes.

        • sikntired
          July 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

          Could you be more specific please?

          • sikntired
            July 2, 2013 at 12:18 pm

            How about their neighbors who don’t want to look at piles of junk and hoarders?

          • More to the story
            July 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm

            It’s not just those with “piles of junk and hoarders”.
            People who legally buy vacant land in the unincorporated areas of the AV, who pay taxes to the County for that land, become criminals and victims of County paramilitary forces simply for wanting to live on the land they own.

  3. A. Richards
    June 30, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I am white and drive a car that is like a person her in the AV that is a parolee….. I have been pulled over over 3 times in the past 2 years…. Can I get in on this BS? If you get pulled over and you are not a thug…. They will do what they did to me… Look at my license…. And then apologize and told me they where looking for somebody else…. No big deal….

  4. Notagain
    June 30, 2013 at 12:23 am


    • ChevyGuy57
      June 30, 2013 at 3:31 pm

      Ma’am… Nobody is suggesting that LASD stop going after bad guys. On the contrary, we need more good Deputies to add to the current group of good Deputies in the AV.

      LASD and DA Investigator’s are infringing upon the civil rights of law abiding citizens by participating in raids to serve code violations. They’re doing this while their budgets and resources are already strained beyond belief.

      I encourage LASD to proactively go after criminals, enforce the law, and keep us all reasonably safe. For that service I’m thankful. That’s what we rely on LASD to do. That’s what LASD thankfully does for the most part.

      Leave good folks alone.

    • BumperOnTheJob
      June 30, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      Ma’am… Nobody wants LASD to stop doing good law enforcement. We want one of the most professional law enforcement agencies on the planet to leave honest people alone. LASD has better things to do than to victimize honest people, on behalf of some money collecting, cash cow agency, often for petty or fabricated, alleged ordinance violations… many from “anonymous reports”. By all means, fight crime. But leave honest taxpayers alone.

      • Greeneyes
        June 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        How can you tell if a person is an “honest taxpayer”? It’s not possible. My husband is a retired cop. Every time we go out he watches people because he is trained to do that. No one is smarter or above the law!

        • Krystal
          June 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm

          Thank you! There is no racial profiling going on! These cops are doing what they are trained to do!!! My husband is a LASD officer and these comments are pissing me off. He doesn’t randomly pull people over because of their race. He pulls them over because they are doing something to cause them to get pulled over. Obviously blacks and Hispanics are more likely to get pulled over because there are more of them out here! If there is 1 white person and 50 blacks and Hispanics, the chances of the black/Hispanic getting pulled over is far greater. Even for being white myself, I have been pulled over many times. Mostly for being “out of place”. People want to complain about police yet when they are in trouble, they call the police. If you hate the police…handle yourself then when you and/or your family is in trouble (getting robbed, shot, or whatever). People don’t appreciate all that they police do and the risk they are put in.

          • Land of the Free
            July 1, 2013 at 6:01 pm

            I don’t think most people here are saying that ALL cops are bad, or cowboys.
            I know a few deputies in the AV and I can honestly say that those I know are good people.

            “There is no racial profiling going on”

            Apparently, the Justice Dept. disagrees with you. Just because your husband doesn’t profile, that doesn’t mean that others don’t.

            “Even for being white myself, I have been pulled over many times. Mostly for being “out of place””

            Being “out of place”?
            Isn’t this America, where we have the freedom to move about as we please as long as we’re not breaking the law?
            If you’re being pulled over for being “out of place”, then obviously you’re being profiled. The only reason you should be pulled over is for committing a violation of the law. As far as I know, being where you want, or need, to be in public is not a violation.

        • HoldThePhone
          June 30, 2013 at 7:02 pm

          Show us where that guy said that anybody was above the law? My husband flies jets but that doesn’t make me an authority on airplanes. Have your husband explain the presumption of innocence to you. In this great country, we’re all assumed to be innocent until a conviction is handed down.

          When LASD rolls up on three 20 somethings, lurking and smoking dope, in an alley at 4AM behind the door to the electronics entrance to a big box store, in a high crime area, then it’s very probable that they’re up to no good.

          When LASD raids a home and an 80 year old lady, or a soccer mom with 2.3 kids and a picket fence while she’s watering the begonias in her own front yard, odds are she’s not bangin’.

          You’re absolutely right on one thing, nobody looks the type. Profiling is a necessary part of the job. Honest people will admit that they do it all the time. We’re hard wired to do it.

          I don’t know about you lady but I’m jamming the knuckleheads in the alley and leaving Old Lady Smith alone.

          Any good street cop can smell the difference between John Q and a punk. Black, white, thin or fat, old or young, there are good people all over this community who should be treated like good people…. until it’s time not to. The chain of events should unfold in exactly that order.

          So I gather that you would run around shaking down soccer moms in the same ratio as late night, alley dwelling humans who have been drinking and appear to be thugs. You don’t know what a thug looks like?… ask a cop… or another thug.
          LAPD doesn’t have the time or resources to hold building and safety’s hand to measure the high of light sockets. Neither does LASD.

          Why isn’t there a cop assigned to provide security for every letter carrier who works a rough area?… Oh, they don’t?… I wonder why?… Could it be that in order to do that, they’ll be a bit late to help your Mom when she’s hit over the head and her wallet taken by a recent parolee?

          Good cops, real cops, don’t need to be kicking doors to serve Building and Safety code violations or to go after a kid whose Schnauzer digs under the fence. How about big rigs parked on private land? Does your husband have enough free time to look for, find and then take the time to cite home owners on their property?

          LASD doesn’t need the bad PR and additional scrutiny from the Feds, not to mention the waste of time and exposure to additional liability for reacting when some civil servant wants to ramp up a case of contempt of code enforcement guy or dog one of many catchers.

          Charlie Beck won’t waste the time of his troops. With response times climbing and the dike always leaking, his people have bigger fish to fry and he won’t put them through that. I would argue that LASD doesn’t either but Baca doesn’t mind further undermining his credibility with the rank and file.

          I value the time of our LE professionals in the AV too much to have them jamming soccer Moms with guns drawn, all in an effort to hang paper on Jane Q for some other County agency.

  5. sikntired
    June 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    all the time and money wasted on this when a more crucial issue is the rate at which African American men are killing each other.

    June 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Open ur EYES people. The summer heat is here and the senseless violense is on the rise. Five years ago we begged our Sheriff’s to send more deputies to help suppress all of the L.A. based gangs and parolees that relocated to our once peaceful neighborhoods. These thugs were burglarizing and terrorizing the AV. Most of us worked hard to afford a nice home and neighborhood to raise our families and we were seeing our quality of life, and our sense of security completely taken away from us. Crime rates had hit five year lows and were continueing on the right path even during tough economic times. Now some DOJ attorneys from 3000 miles away have issued a report condemning our brave Sheriff protectors. The DOJ answered the calls from a small group of activists as they screamed that our sheriff’s were unfairly policing certain high crime areas.

    Now our poor Sheriff’s have been beaten down by the feds and the media, and criminal loving lawyers, looking for “deep pocket” payouts (code words: OUR TAX $$) will be lining up with their DOJ report in hand ready to sue any deputy for looking crossed eyed at a parolee.

    Calling all Law Abiding Hard Working AV Residents! We need to make our voices heard loud and clear that we appreciate the hard work that our Sheriff’s have done to make our streets, neighborhoods, parks, schools and business areas safe. We’ve come too far to let it slip back to 5 years ago and into the hands of the thugs that screamed for the DOJ.

    For those who would like to depend on the DOJ attorneys for the safety of their lives and property, please feel free to call them.

    As for me, I will be calling the LASD @ 911.

    OPEN ur EYES people. If you want to live in peace and security, Support Our Sheriff’s! S.O.S.

    This is what is waiting for us if we dont…



    • Candy
      June 29, 2013 at 5:54 pm

      “Now some DOJ attorneys from 3000 miles away have issued a report condemning our brave [racist] Sheriff protectors.”

      You can take that report, roll it in sugar and dip it in honey as many times as you wish “OpenUrEyes” but racism is racism. Don’t add to the article by saying the victims of this racism are parolees. The report didn’t state that. And, even if they are, people have the right to not be victims of racism.

      My eyes are very much open to people like you. That – and you – are a big part of the problem in this world.

      • faith
        June 30, 2013 at 9:23 am

        this place was once a peaceful place to live i hate the fact that all the los angeles rejects are taking up home here.stay where you are and quit coming down here.you know for a fact that the a.v is dangerous for you to stay if you not a law abiding citizen.

      • OPENurEYES
        June 30, 2013 at 9:49 am

        What part of holding people (of any color) accountable for breaking our laws, or violating the rules of the welfare programs that they choose to abuse, turns into to racists behavior or racism in general? Please educate us?

        • sammy P
          June 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm

          Great post OPENurEYES and nicely worded – I think our Sheriffs department has many problems but I don’t think racial discrimination is one of them.

          If I was a cop and I saw 5 young black males in a 1984 cutlass cruising down a residential neighborhood at 10pm then I might pull them over, because odds are they are up to something.

          And if I was wrong and they were on their way to bible study then I would wish them well and thank them for their cooperation in keeping our neighborhood safe.

          Cops need to be allowed to use their instinct and common sense when deciding who to pull over, and sometimes race will be a factor because it needs to be a factor – if a certain neighborhood has a lot of hispanic gangs then a car load of hispanic gang members might get pulled over to see if they are up to anything, and thats how it should be.

      • NorthCounty
        June 30, 2013 at 7:01 pm

        “And, even if they are, people have the right to not be victims of racism.” (regarding being on parole/probation)


        You’re absolutely correct. However when one becomes a victim of crime at the hands of someone on parole, they don’t need or deserve to be slapped in the face with a tattered race card and labeled a racist bigot either if the offender happens to be a minority. This mentality is tragically pathetic.

        You can’t have it both ways. Which is it? Do you give judicial immunity to a criminal based upon their ethnicity or do you blame the victim if their ethnicity works in your favor and is a convenient tool to further employ the old race card as a valid excuse to justify a crime and criminal behavior? Choosing the latter seems to be the easier route and even more discerning, it works rather well. You state “racism is racism” – However I’m sure your definition of racism is fluid and full of exceptions and exclusions though; and that makes you part of the problem as well.

  7. jackiel
    June 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    my son is active duty military currently serving in afganistan a couple of years ago he was fortunate enough to be station close enough that he could make weekend trips home to visit on a few of these times not just once maybe 4 times he was pulled over and questioned what he was doing in the area no he doesnt wear clothes 3 or 4 times to big doesnt drink smoke or behave in a thug like manner never has has a college degree and takes care of his family his crime i guess was being a black man with a nice car seem he always fit the description of some suspect really after all these years you cant come up with something a little more original he will be retiring in a couple of years and no he has no plans on living here you dont seem to see that profiling people not only affects the criminal good people are leaving too

    • AVGirl
      June 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm

      I have opposite problem. White female driving a Cadillac in a Hispanic neighborhood. I have been pulled over 4 times in the past year. I don’t look like I belong. Does it annoy me? Not really, just cuts into my lunch hour usually.

      • Krystal
        June 30, 2013 at 6:24 pm

        I agree. If I am driving in a Hispanic neighborhood, I often get pulled over for looking out of place. It doesn’t bother me at all. I appreciate the police checking on things. Obviously they are watching out for crime occurring. I prefer them to be safe than sorry.

    • Brenda
      July 7, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      Oh please , there is good in bad in all police agencies. The very notion that he can live somewhere other than Lancater and never get pulled over again for this reason is laughable. Exactly which city did he find where this wont happen?

  8. pissedoffnative
    June 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Housing voucher, that is [removed]. How many black people make up the entirety of the users of said vouchers? Why do we say that a population with whites as a minority, tends to “pick on the blacks more”, when we can clearly realize the ratio is the same, just the figures in the equation are naturally more for the blacks BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF THEM!! What kind of bs is this, housing voucher holders all come into the housing tracks that I saw being built new just ten years ago, nice houses that I dreamed about what the pool in the back must look like. Now section eight, not sure who to thank for that one

    • AVGirl
      June 29, 2013 at 6:18 pm

      I own several rentals and do not accept Section 8. There are lawsuits and litigation in the court system right now that might force a landlord to accept section 8. If that happens, I will probably sell off my properties

    • Clara
      July 7, 2013 at 1:30 pm

      There is still more white people. minorities can’t even cross the mason dixon line of 10th street west. See facts below. Facts not opinions are more valuable

      The 2010 United States Census[17] reported that Lancaster had a population of 156,633. The population density was 1,656.7 people per square mile (639.6/km²). The racial makeup of Lancaster was 77,734 (49.6%) White, 32,083 (18.5%) African American, 1,519 (1.0%) Native American, 6,810 (4.3%) Asian (2.2% Filipino, 0.4% Chinese, 0.4% Indian, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.3% Korean, 0.2% Japanese), 362 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 29,728 (19.0%) from other races, and 8,397 (5.4%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 59,596 persons (38.0%); 26.9% of Lancaster is Mexican, 3.0% Salvadoran, 1.3% Guatemalan, 0.7% Puerto Rican, 0.3% Cuban, 0.3% Honduran, 0.3% Nicaraguan, and 0.3% Peruvian.

    • Clara
      July 7, 2013 at 1:35 pm

      More facts for ignorant people who like to throw out baseless opinions: a majority of the people on Section 8 are white! see link below


      • Brenda
        July 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm

        Did you read your own link? I followed it and found the only baseless information is yours. As you can select by city, and Section 8 only, I did. The black recepients are more than double the white recepeints in an area where there is a greater white population. I guess the discriminatin here is against white people as more of them are required to work and pay their own way.

        • OPENurEYES
          July 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm

          @Clara, I think you have a future with the DOJ, because you mis-analyze statistical information about the same as they do.

  9. Darius White
    June 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    When you see a person wearing “scrubs” you would probably think that person works in the medical field. Most of us would think that a person wearing a business suit or dress probably works in an office. If we see a person wearing a black shirt with a white collar we all probably think that person is a member of the clergy. Now, when we see a person (male or female, regardless of color) who appears to be in their teens or twenties, and that person is wearing clothes that are 3-4 sizes too big, with the pants sagging way too low, the majority of Americans instantly think “thug” and “trouble maker.” If I don’t want people to think I’m a clown, I won’t dress like a clown. If I don’t want people to think I’m a thug, I won’t dress like a thug. Unfortunately, the “walk like a duck, quack like a duck… it’s duck” theory holds true probably 98% of the time. Please remember that, especially as it relates to first impressions, “PERCEPTION IS REALITY.” Now most of us are smart enough to know that it takes more than a first impression to determine a person’s values and morals; to not think so is naive. However, if misreading a first impression could get me or a family member robbed or killed, then LASD, by all means, please keep doing what you’re doing, because you’re obviously doing it very well. It’s interesting to think that my black and Latino brothers have never had a problem with any police officers (incl. LASD); of course, they don’t do anything to attract the attention of police officers. Just s thought…

    • lulu belle
      June 29, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      So true….anyone who comes in looking for a job where I work, if they are dressed to interview that day even though they are only getting an application, we take note and usually that person is asked to come back. If they come with family in tow, jeans, t shirts, halter tops, tank tops, etc…it is noted and they are not called back. How you wish people to perceive you will get you classified, not by your skin color but how you take care of yourself. You can be dirt poor and still give a good impression.

      • So True.
        June 30, 2013 at 11:28 pm

        At the office where I work, a guy showed up at the job interview with his wife and two kids. He smelled like he’d smoked two packs of cigarettes in a closed car, as did his family. He asked if they could sit in the lobby and wait since they only had one car. After the interview, he then asked if he could use our fax machine because he wanted to fax his resume to another company.

        Didn’t get called back.

  10. Fed Up
    June 29, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I am so sick of hearing about this. Have we looked at the population here. There are less whites than Black/Hispanic. If a person any color points a gun at a Deputy then what do you expect. This area is a pit for such low lifes. Theses deputies are doing there job and I support them 100 percent.

    • Greeneyes
      June 29, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      Totally agree with you. I have seen some heavy handedness by the police but after being told why, I totally agree with their actions. We have a lot of low life up here and I wish they’d go back down the hill and let the AV be what is was years ago. Now we have to live in fear. We need a lot more police!

      • Rguzman
        June 29, 2013 at 5:01 pm

        I agree we have a lot of low life here and we need to clean up Lancaster…

    • Clara
      July 7, 2013 at 1:27 pm

      Not true. Whites make up half the population in lancaster.You might want to use facts to back up your claims. See stats below…

      The 2010 United States Census[17] reported that Lancaster had a population of 156,633. The population density was 1,656.7 people per The racial makeup of Lancaster was 77,734 (49.6%) White, 32,083 (18.5%) African American, 1,519 (1.0%) Native American, 6,810 (4.3%) Asian (2.2% Filipino, 0.4% Chinese, 0.4% Indian, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.3% Korean, 0.2% Japanese), 362 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 29,728 (19.0%) from other races, and 8,397 (5.4%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 59,596 persons (38.0%); 26.9% of Lancaster is Mexican, 3.0% Salvadoran, 1.3% Guatemalan, 0.7% Puerto Rican, 0.3% Cuban, 0.3% Honduran, 0.3% Nicaraguan, and 0.3% Peruvian.

  11. Michael Rives
    June 29, 2013 at 9:08 am

    At the last meeting of the Lancaster City Council, I suggested that the city consider contracting out to another law enforcement agency. I hinted that the Kern County Sheriff up the road from us could be considered. I believe we are being overcharged by LA County and we aren’t getting the law enforcement personnel we pay for. The Board of Supervisors has reduced the LASD budget by 120 million and the state has been sending inmates to LA County, so I know their situation. However, with the allegations coming out about the Sheriff’s Dept, for appearance’s sake, as well as financial and safety’s sake, we need to move on. Captain Nelson and the Lancaster Sheriff’s Dept do as well as expected with the situation we have up here and with their budget constrains. Lancaster’s contract with LASD is up soon for renewal and we can contract with whatever law enforcement agency we want to provide us police services.

    • lulu belle
      June 29, 2013 at 10:32 am

      Great idea, also how about the City of Lancaster and Palmdale have their own police force like a lot of cities do.

      • AVGirl
        June 29, 2013 at 6:06 pm

        Simple answer, too expensive.

        • Nancy P
          June 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm

          That’s BS and anyone from any other small city knows that. Sure maybe the initial costs would be higher, but in the long run, the citizens of Lancaster would benefit. Saying it is too expensive is the answer always given when someone in the city wants you to back off a topic. people always react to “too expensive” and any news about sex offenders.
          We need our own Police Department and those on the LASD would have first choice on the positions as a lateral move, without losing seniority or benefits. Rex has already contracted the spy plane and we could easily contract the helicopters.

          • AVGirl
            June 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm

            Why would we hire the very same people who others claim are the problem to start a new force. That seems counterproductive.

          • It IS too expensive
            June 30, 2013 at 11:32 pm

            The cost of a police department is more than just the salaries. Equipment must be purchased, higher reserves must be maintained for claims, retirement plans must be maintained, etc. Lancaster is in enough of a financial bind that there is no way on God’s green Earth that they could afford a police department. I don’t agree with Rex on much, but I totally agree we need to maintain the contract with LASD. At least until the City gets WAY more solvent.

    • AVGirl
      June 29, 2013 at 6:06 pm

      Different counties, pretty sure that would not work. Different laws, codes etc.

      • Michael Rives
        June 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm

        Kern county is up the road from us. We border them. Certainly, they patrol the border with LA County. It would not be too much for them to head south a little to Lancaster. Also, food for thought, let’s say we contract with Kern County Sheriff, instead of LASD, would LASD automatically leave Lancaster? I mean there is a county courthouse and county offices plus a jail. Would we in effect have two agencies in Lancaster? LASD couldn’t leave entirely.

        • AVGirl
          June 29, 2013 at 8:47 pm

          Because they are totally different jurisdictions. They may patrol the boarder between the counties, but unless they have a specific reason and approval, they cannot enforce the law on the other side of that boundary.

          • Michael Rives
            June 30, 2013 at 9:56 am

            If the Kern County Sheriff is contracted out by the city of Lancaster they can patrol Lancaster. Lancaster can contract with any law enforcement agency it wants or create its own police department, too. Both LA and Kern County are under the criminal laws of the State and their agencies are certified by P.O.S.T. which qualifies all agencies in California.

          • AVGirl
            June 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm

            Penal codes might be the same, but not county.
            Not saying it is impossible, but it would be very difficult to do.

            And I don’t think just changing agencies would really make much of a difference.

    • AV Res
      June 30, 2013 at 10:51 am

      Go to kern and be a victim. Call 911. See how it works out for you. I don’t think you thought that idea through.

  12. lulu belle
    June 29, 2013 at 8:11 am

    If you go out to the prison and ask the folks living there, 6 out of 100 will say they are innocent. There is a lot going on in this valley that we don’t know or hear about, except through personal experience that always indicates the person is innocent. Not doing anything wrong, no drugs, just out for a casual walk etc… the news doesn’t always report some of the things our police officers encounter. It is a war zone and if our officers wish to go home at night, they have to be strong and never second guess a situation as just a casual thing. It seems that if an officer is shot and killed people see it as oh well, no big deal. These are humans just like you and me, they are out there to protect us. I am sure if you needed them, you would call in a minute. Perhaps you didn’t get the soft treatment from them at one time, you lived right? No so true for them. Criminals see the police as someone they can shoot at and feel vindicated. I have complete respect for all our officers, comply with the laws, and have never had them come at me in a manner as to threaten my being. I agree you should go on a ride along with them sometime, especially at 2am when it seems this valley is a live with shadiness.
    Let’s not forget Steve Sorenson, who went out on a shots fired call and ended up tortured, dragged behind his own police cruiser, and shot to death….have the cops done that to anyone??

    • Fed Up
      June 29, 2013 at 11:11 am

      Well said.

  13. Samuel R.Caldwell
    June 29, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Well this investigation is a start,But we need to pop this sheriffs dept wide open like a watermelon and see whats inside.

    • sikntired
      June 29, 2013 at 9:46 am

      Yeah, right after we pop open the section eight travesty wide open and see what’s inside.

      • AV Res
        June 30, 2013 at 11:24 am

        Yeah. A parolee can’t even live in a section 8 house and sling weed without the cops messing with ya. What the world coming to.

  14. SAC
    June 29, 2013 at 12:41 am

    I would suggest that you ALL do a ride along and SEE what the LASD is having to do and encounter out there. Maybe then you would not be so quick to indict them.

    • Candy
      June 29, 2013 at 6:01 pm

      Oh please

      • Fed Up
        June 30, 2013 at 9:34 am

        Yes If you really knew what they had to deal with every night. The general public is clueless and talk as if they get it. We need lots more LASD to clean up this community.

  15. samuel
    June 28, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    … the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department has no need or want, for the United States Constitution. For the gun thugs of the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department, America’s constitution is a nuisance they’d prefer doing without — asj.

    • OPENurEYES
      June 29, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      Our founding fathers never imagined this when they crafted our Constitution These gangs thrive on our 2nd and 4th amendments.



      • Candy
        June 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm

        Why don’t you pack up and move to Idaho or Wyoming

      • Nancy P
        June 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm

        @OpenurEyes, I could agree more. Our society has been so worried about “peoples rights” that everyone acts like they have lost their minds. Nothing happens to people for breaking the laws, because there have been so many exceptions created under the guise of privacy or discrimination. No one wants to uncover the huge maze of criminal activity, because they don’t want to deal with it.
        I was not prejudice when I came here to the AV. I am now convinced that there is no hope for this city.
        …and Candy, I would love to move, just not to the places you suggested.

      • Joss Aikman
        June 29, 2013 at 8:07 pm

        and the natives never imagined the genocide of our people by the so called founding fathers that decided to take over this land that did not belong to them. If only the native people fought terrorism before the terroristic land robbers took away our freedom and then made their people believe that they are the ones who brought freedom and fight against terrorists. Yet most of you patriotic fools back this country’s misleading leaders! take a look around with your own eyes instead of your ears.

        • Nancy P
          June 29, 2013 at 10:07 pm

          And now “native people” whoever you are talking about….are out breaking the laws of society and the land, just like everyone else.

  16. Check
    June 28, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Police are just doing their job, maybe it’s a coincidence that most of the criminals are black

  17. Highdesert
    June 28, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    When all is said and done, the ways things are here in the AV…I just wish we had more police doing what needs to be done…Behind you 100%.

    • Fed Up
      June 30, 2013 at 9:34 am


  18. disgusted
    June 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    The cops killed my husband in 2009 and covered it up big time. Shot him. I dont want to be messed with by the cop gang so I am not going to say no more. I am scared of the police. I can say kids are to grow up trusting police and even want to be one when when they grow up. But in this case NOT.

    • Johnny Trece
      June 28, 2013 at 9:56 pm

      I’m sorry to hear about your loss. Dirty Law Enforcement Officers are experts in intimidation but you have to be very brave and show them no fear. Be brave, get informed.

    • faith
      June 29, 2013 at 9:53 am

      a family member got busted and when the deputies arrested him he was taking to the station (palmdale)and when he gwent to court he was able to find out about his charges to make this short he was able to win the case because the pd told him that the deputie that arrested him he had long sheet of planting evidence on civilians you want to know the deputie name?

      • Johnny Trece
        June 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        I’ll like to know. These types of law enforcers usually get punished by being sent to work at a County Correctional Facility, like MCJ (Men’s Central Jail in Los Angeles) or NCCF (North County Correctional Facility by Santa Clarita). I knew one dirty Deputy that got sent to Wayside.

        • Fed Up
          June 30, 2013 at 9:35 am

          Interesting and not true. But it sure sounds good to say it I am sure.

          • Johnny Trece
            July 1, 2013 at 1:16 am

            And why isn’t this fact true? Enlighten me, please…..

    • Sandy
      June 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm

      I’m very sorry for your loss. It’s very sad when we hear of stories like this – to know that those we place our trust and lives in – would behave as viciously as those they are supposed to protect us from.

    • Lucky7
      June 29, 2013 at 9:22 pm

      Oh right. It’s always a cover up isn’t it? Sure he was just minding his own business and never was aggressive with the cop. Right! Sure you know it’s a cover up even though any killing by a cop goes through intense and thorough investigation. You’re not going to get my sympathy by lying about the cops. They are in danger every day they go out and thank god your husband didn’t kill one.

      I’m sure your husband was up to something. Quite lying

      • disgusted
        June 29, 2013 at 10:07 pm

        yes it sure was a cover you freak.He was on a motorcycle a dirt bike. Yes he should not have been riding it. But he was in the desert not bothering anybody. Its a long story and you ain’t worth my time. He was shot the helicopter paramedics knows this. I had a lawyer. but oops no autopsy. ooops something scared whatever help I was getting to deal with it. was on the news as homicide but then it was never there. They say he died of blunt force injuries from wrecking. Let me tell you something That was my kids dad you ugly person. I hope you. never mind. Your a **** . go to hell

        • Nancy P
          June 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm

          Don’t let them get to you. They will all defend eachother and their actions and are not worth the energy it takes to respond. Watch your back. Sorry for your loss.

  19. concerned
    June 28, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I was kicked out of my house I lived in for 14 years our car crushed all by LASD. I did not know where my cousin was when the cops asked. They kept telling me Tell us where he is or you will be sorry. Lasd brought the city people to my house wrote it up for false stuff . said I was stealing power and dumping raw sewage. It was all a lie. I had to move out same day my whole family with no car. They took it. All because I could not tell them where my cousin was.

    • PO'd Yank
      June 28, 2013 at 8:35 pm

      Is that all there is to the story? No hiring of an attorney to sue the LASD and the city?

      • concerned
        June 29, 2013 at 1:23 am

        when I mentioned a lawyer they laughed and said call R Rex Parris. It is a longer story real long. but that is what I lost in material things.

      • concerned
        June 29, 2013 at 1:30 am

        They took me in the back of the cop car to the station and said they were going to book me. I said for what.. They said for this bag of dope we found in your wallet. I told them they put that there and they said so. Thank god they did not book me for it. They were trying to scare me. After that they dropped me of on sierra Hwy at 11 pm. That was scary. and this to is just a small part of the story.

        • Cornell
          June 29, 2013 at 6:08 pm

          I believe you!!

    • Johnny Trece
      June 28, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      You could have easily received a lawyer pro-Bono.

      • concerned
        June 29, 2013 at 1:25 am

        In the Av lawyers,cops and the city are the same they work hand in hand.

      • concerned
        June 29, 2013 at 1:35 am

        I also want to say I am white. so them targeting African Americans and Latinos is not so true. They just were brave enough to complain.

        • faith
          June 29, 2013 at 9:58 am

          you can easily say that they are not targeting black and spanish?lol you just like they are.bigots for you info is only a hanfull of other being arrested here in the av go to the court house and see for yourself even in the juvi system

          • Nancy P
            June 29, 2013 at 10:38 pm

            I guess if we’re not black or latino (a), we are bigots? Wow, whose really the racist here? Point is, different people are targets for different reasons. Sometimes it’s personal and sometimes it’s profiling. Most of the time, the cops are detaining a law breaker…atleast that’s what I hope.

    • AVGirl
      June 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm

      Your story is suspect. The courts have to issue a writ to have you expelled, after an unlawful detainer case has been filed and heard.

      There is a lot more to this story then what you are telling.

      • concerned
        June 29, 2013 at 7:39 pm

        You want the whole story. I have a cousin that was in prison when he got out on parole he was working remodeling houses. The cops did a parole check on parolees. My cousin was not where he was staying. He was working late. When the cops found where he was working he had already left. My cousin still not aware the cops were looking for him went to his girlfriends house in palmdale. Now the cops are pissed they cant find him. By the time my cousin heard the cops were looking for him they the cops took all tools and materials from his job and saying they were stolen and he needs to turn his self in. Its only been like 4 hours from the time they started there checks on parolees. The cops left messaes on my cousins phone saying stuff like you better turn your self in and we got all the stolen property. My cousin is now scared to turn his self in. The way these cops were acting in just 4 hours was crazy. Now the next day my aunt told my cousin to turn his self in but he was scared. It was around thanksgiving this happened. The cops called whatever family members phone they could get a hold of. saying stuff like Whats up???where are you we know your not working cuz you ain’t got a job no more hahaha. They called my phone saying you better tell us where he is or we are going to ruin your turkey dinner. another call if you dont tell us where he is we are going to make your life miserable until you tell us. Know its going on 3 days. It was pretty scary all the threats and tormenting calls. All because they could not get ahold of my cousin. I was even scared for my cousin. I did not know where my cousin was hiding. He would not tell me because the cops said who ever knows where he is will go to jail. I forgot this part. The same night this all happened. My aunt asked if I could go lock the house my cousin was working at because the cops took everything left the lights on and the doors wide open. I went to lock it up and the cops rushed me put me in the back of the car threatening me planted drugs in my wallet to scare me. Thank god they did not take me to jail for it. There was 3 computer towers in the back of the cop car with me. They drove so fast around corners that the towers were slamming into me. driving around telling me where is he? I did not know. Then we were driving through a neighborhood and the cop said I smell a fire and looked at me and said. If you figure out where the smoke is coming from we will let you be a hero and walk. They laughed drove around some more. took me to the station like they were going to take me to jail for the drugs they said they found in my wallet. They didnt doit. just trying to scare me. After that they dropped me on seirra Hwy by the 7-11 at 11 pm. I lived no where near there or is that where they took me from. That was scary. Meantime my aunt was getting my cousin a lawyer so he could turn his self in safely. It took 2 days. My aunt told my cousin that he had a lawyer to not be scared. My cousin agreed to meet my aunt and let her drive him to the lawyers office and from there they will go to turn him in. My aunt was driving our vehicle to get my cousin. The crooked lawyer was the cops pal. he took $5000 from my aunt to help my cousin turn him self in. Lawyer told cops what car they were in and that they were on there way to his office. Same time this was going on the cops brought city cops to my house even when they already knew my cousin was on his way to lawyer. They had my mom my kids and me on my back porch while they wrote up a bunch of crap and citations on my house. They even gave me a ticket for driving with out insurance while I was not driving. I had to go to court for it and the judge dropped it. I had to relocate my family the same day. They said I could not even stay there and I had a week to get my stuff out. Everyday I went there getting 14 years of living out in a week. The city cops came everyday and said stuff like. We know your having a hard time right now and could probably use some money. Do you want to sell me them bikes. I said no and he gave me his card for if I changed my mind. Oh yeah the cops rushed my aunt and cousin took them both to jail and impounded our car. They said we can get it back in 30 days. After 30 days we tried to get the car from the watch commander, the court house we tried everything.. Come to find out they crushed our car a week after they impounded it. Reason now they said it was involved in a drug deal. If this is not enough of the story I am sorry..

        • concerned
          June 29, 2013 at 7:42 pm

          Let me add my cousins girlfriend had his phone so he did not know the cops were calling. I just wanted to clear up why he did not answer before you say something like… WELL WHY DIDNT HE ANSWER HIS PHONE

          • sikntired
            June 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm

            just a victim of circumstance huh?

          • concerned
            June 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm

            A victim yes. what are you saying that it’s ok they do this stuff to people.

        • OPENurEYES
          June 30, 2013 at 10:31 am

          Let me translate this story. Cousin was a convicted felon serving his prison sentence (must have been a pretty serious crime or series of crimes to be in prison). Cousin gets paroled and is released into the community with conditions of parole that require him to report to his parole officer on where he is going to be living and working. Parole agents working with local deputies conduct a parole compliance sweep to make sure he has not returned to a life of crime. Parolee cousin can’t be found where he is supposed to be. Can’t be reached by phone, family members hiding him all claiming they haven’t seen him and can’t reach him either. Check his work place and find out that he quickly fled leaving his work tools behind. A check of the tools reveals that they are reported as stolen goods. New charge for the parolee cousin that will send him back to prison. Parolee on the run for over five days. Finally gets stopped in a car being driven by a relative with no license or insurance. Parolee arrested and returned to prison. Car impounded and sold at auction after 30 day hold expires and no one can afford to pay the impound fees. Family evicted from home due to numerous health code violations that they refuse to correct. Another typical parolee family removed from the neighborhood and the neighbors are finally happy again. Now the DOJ will force this parolee family back into our neighborhoods and prevent the LASD from enforcing these discriminatory practices ever again. Problem solved, time to go back to D.C.

        • AVGirl
          June 30, 2013 at 12:41 pm

          So many things wrong with this story.

          If any of it were true, you would have a slam-dunk case against several agencies.

        • Tellitlikeitis
          August 24, 2013 at 4:39 am

          To concerned and anyone else with similar stories. I would REALLY LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU. what has been/ is happening to you and your loved ones IS REAL AND MORE DISGUSTING THAN YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF. YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED. I see there is going to be some kind of “gathering” tomorrow headed by NAACP no doubt to ease everyone’s feelings that everything is just fine and that all issues are being ” taken care of ” PLEASE IF YOU CAN COME AND SPEAK YOUR TRUTH. THE MANIPULATION AND LIES HAVE GO E ON LONG ENOUGH!!!!

  20. sikntired
    June 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Support your local sheriff, and I am not being facetious.

    • Tak
      June 28, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      I can’t support the one’s that act like cowards, abuse people’s rights and their authority.

      • sikntired
        June 28, 2013 at 8:31 pm

        How about the thugs that do the same?

        • Tak
          June 28, 2013 at 10:32 pm

          The ones that do should be punished, not the ones that don’t, just because they are the same race as the ones that do.

    • PO'd Yank
      June 28, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      Agree 100%. Give me a proactive, aggressive deputy any time.

  21. Patricia Hayden
    June 28, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I live in HUD housing for disabled and seniors, this place is over 40 years old. My roommate and I pay nearly $700 a month, we have never been able to get section 8, even when he was out of work in the early 90s, we raised a son on $12,000 a year, never had public assistance, no medical, no food stamps, no housing, we survived, he worked a full time job and a part time job, I worked 2 part time jobs in order to be home when our son was out of school, we made it, now in our old age and disability we live in a building that needs to be refurbished, I am the minority here, white, he is Japanese born in America. Majority of the tenants are black, a lot of these tenants are subjected to their grand kids descending on them playing music loud, having their friends over, pants sagging to their knees, leaving trash every where, the poor tenants have no one to kick the kids out, one tenant had to move because her grand kids were causing so much problems on the property. Makes me sad that Grandma has to be homeless because no one controls the little darlings.

    • Nancy P
      June 28, 2013 at 6:52 pm

      Why don’t they kick their own grand kids out instead of expecting someone else to do it for them. About the time someone else would tell the kids to leave, gramma would jump in and threaten to kick your a$$. Been there!

    • Tak
      June 28, 2013 at 7:26 pm

      So that makes violating A persons civil rights, lasd policy and federal law o.k.?

  22. Not A Criminal
    June 28, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “The widespread use of unlawful backseat detentions violating the Fourth Amendment and LASD policy”

    A couple years ago, my then-girlfriend and I were visiting her sister’s house in Palmdale.
    Next to the house was a vacant lot.
    As we cut through the lot while strolling and talking, my gf tripped on a piece of metal protruding from the ground.
    Since it caught her attention, she started wondering what it was. That caused her to pick up a stick and start scraping away at the dirt around the metal while I stood next to her and watched.
    Moments later, a LASD patrol car drove into the lot and the deputies jumped out, ordering us to put our hands on the car.
    After patting us down and emptying our pockets, they handcuffed us and put us in the back seat.
    Needless to say, I was livid. They would not tell us why we were being detained nor what brought about their actions.
    After sitting in the car for about 15 minutes while they ran our names through the computer, they had us get out and released us.
    Apparently, if you’re scraping the dirt in an empty lot your actions are suspicious, and we were put in the car, handcuffed, for our safety.

    Let me say that I have absolutely no problem with police pulling up and asking questions to make sure everything is okay. Nor do I have a problem being asked for my ID for them to check for warrants or whatever.
    But I do have a problem with being handcuffed and stuffed into the back seat of a patrol car with no probable cause.

    This situation only served to erode the respect and appreciation I had for LASD.

    • Johnny Trece
      June 28, 2013 at 9:36 pm

      What you could have done was call the Watch Commander and submit a complaint. We need to exercise our right to put these cowboys in check.

      • Nancy P
        June 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm

        hahahahah Watch Commander does nothing about a complaint. He supports his Deputies. Period.

        • good guy
          June 29, 2013 at 11:25 am

          Hi, Nancy P I know who you are. The Watch Commander don’t have the back of the cops he watch. Calling them do a word of difference. But make sure your right when you call. A lot of people think they know the law, when they dont.

          • Nancy P
            June 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm


          • Nancy P
            June 29, 2013 at 10:45 pm

            Hey Good Guy, I never claimed to “know the law”, I just know what I know. I don’t think “knowing your right” is a reason to call to watch commander. I do think having a concern about the lack of response is a reason to call.
            End of conversation. This isn’t about you or me.

        • MaryMary
          June 29, 2013 at 11:53 am

          The Watch Commander won’t blow it off when he/she understands that it’ll cost them a house, a career and a pension, and then probably their relationship and family if they continue to trample civil rights.

          Building and Safety and Animal Control are also running a mock.

          File personnel complaints and let’s start looking at a class action suit against the County and each individual agency. Go after the government offender personally by suing them directly, including the County Supervisor who’s allowing this.

          I’m a life long, law abiding citizen who is still, and has been very pro law enforcement. If you can turn a person like me, things are pretty bad.

          County agencies (animal control and building and safety, law enforcement, the DA) are steam rolling good people and leaving human tragedy in their wake.

          The County will throw many agencies at you to swarm you. In short order, you’ll find yourself being bled financially in order to stay out of jail and to comply with trumped up allegations and truck loads of fines/fees/penalties.

          They’ll work in concert to ruin you financially and exercise vendettas. They use County resources to retaliate. Antonovich not only knows about it, but is actively encouraging it.

          L.A. County’s Private Property War

          Google “Phonehenge” and “Desert Rats harrassed by NAT Teams”…. It goes on and on. Honest, descent, law abiding citizens being chewed up by a corrupt, run away machine. The County will bleed you of money, time and resources in pursuit of personnel vendettas.

          LA County will trample your civil rights in a heart beat…. with impunity, evidently. They’ll jail you for code violations and trivial and false issues.

          They’re tearing apart families and causing good folks to lose their homes.

          Antonovich must go. The Feds must be brought in … again…. to investigate Nuisance Abatement Teams.

          I’ve enjoyed the AV Times. They appear to have the inside scoop on Fire and Law Enforcement issues. They have appeared to do a good job in reporting current events in an unbiased way They need to look into County NAT Teams

          We read hear every excruciating word that RX Perris utters, how about doing a story or two about average people and how they’re being victimized and ruined by the County.
          The AV Times isn’t worth it’s salt if it doesn’t investigate. I know now that they’ll remove my post for calling them out. I’m going to take a screen shot of this post online, before the censor it. Are they truly unbiased or do are they too connected with the County?

          I’m going to create a web site to chronicle LA County abuses. I’m going to form a non-profit in order to raise money to turn the tables on the County, on behalf of honest people who are being run over. We need to legally go after the County, these rogue agencies, and individual “civil servants”.

          We must all band together until the County leaves us alone…. as honest citizens merely trying to scrape out a living and pursue happiness, unmolested by the people hired to SERVE US.

          LA County doesn’t respect the 4th Amendment at all…. we need the Feds… again.

          Let’s bring in legions of lawyers now and collectively, legally, go for their throats in court. Let’s cost them all tons of money.

          Let’s financially hit the County AND the rogue personnel that the County refuses to keep on a leash… then peruse criminal actions that will undoubtedly be revealed in the plethora of coming depositions.

          It’s on…. Let’s do this!

        • Johnny Trece
          June 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm

          You are incorrect my friend. I used to live inside a Sheriff Station (in Santa Clarita and Crecenta Valley) for four months. I think I know what I’m talking about. I got the opportunity to experience up close how a station operates from the inside. I learned as much as I could, and I was never afraid to talk to the Captains, Commanders, Lieutenants, Detectives, Jailors, and Deputies about their jobs or anything in particular.

          • 37 Foxtrot
            June 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm

            Johnny, you “used to live inside a Sheriff’s Station”? Did they give you a lolly pop when you were done.

            Why would we bother to discuss any of these issues any longer when your vast experience has convinced you that all these people posting are lairs.

            Who are we to challenge the expert opinion of some long time buff like you?

            Take your 4 months of being tolerated hanging around the station, and riding in a radio car to pick up In & Out burgers, and go back to your VOP, DCS, Cert group. Let the grown ups talk now Sparky.

        • Cornell
          June 29, 2013 at 6:15 pm


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