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Teen shot and killed in Palmdale, suspect arrested

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The shooting happened on Boxthorn Street, near Monaco Lane. Photo by LUIS MEZA.
The boy was transported to the hospital with multiple gunshot wounds and pronounced dead a short time later. Photo by LUIS MEZA.

PALMDALE – A 17-year-old boy was shot to death Monday night in connection with a feud between neighbors, authorities said.

The shooting happened around 9 p.m. in the 38100 block of Boxthorn Street in east Palmdale, according to Sheriff’s Homicide Detective Holly Francisco.

“Deputies responded to the location regarding an assault with a deadly weapon call,” Francisco said.  “When they got here they found the victim, a male Hispanic juvenile, on the ground and had sustained multiple gunshot wounds.”

Francisco said numerous people were detained and interviewed.

Photo by LUIS MEZA.

The 17-year-old, Christopher Flores, was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The investigation is ongoing.

Anyone with information about this incident is urged to contact the Sheriff’s Department’s Homicide Bureau at 323-890-5500. If you would like to remain anonymous, you may do so by calling Crimestoppers at 800-222-8477.

UPDATE: SUSPECT IN CUSTODY

Sheriff’s Homicide detectives have arrested a suspect in connection with the shooting death of the 17-year-old youth.

Victor Manuel Flores, 36, was booked for murder at Palmdale Station and is being held in lieu of $1,000,000 bail. The suspect’s booking photo will not be released at this time.

UPDATED 9/26/12: Editor’s Note – We talked to several witnesses and neighbors about the circumstances that led up to this shooting. Because the stories differ so drastically, we have decided to refrain from publishing any version of the events. We will continue to follow this story closely and report more on this story if Mr. Flores is charged and his case moves to trial.

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266 comments for "Teen shot and killed in Palmdale, suspect arrested"

  2. Victor should rot in prison.. he shot him 7 times… Obviously this kid and his brother weren’t that bad if victors daughter was dating the brother.. and I’m pretty sure victors daughter was no Angel. Kids hide [removed] from their parents..

  4. Haha. Glad that little [removed] woman beater is dead. I would of done the same thing. I don’t care if he was 15 or 50. [removed] cholos. Nothing but scared ass fools when by themselves. If u got a problem let me know so you can kiss my ass cause that’s the only thing that gives a [removed]t about him dying.

    • @JOHN . IM GLAD TOO . I HAVE A DAUGHTER AND I WOULD KILL ANY [removed] FOR HER. NO LITTLE GIRL DESERVES TO BE HARRASED OR INTIMIDATED BY GUYS. THATS [removed] !

  5. I don’t know Victor Flores but I know his a hard working man and all he was doing was protecting his Family, I seen the Video myself and for those that are claiming the Teen got shot in front of his property that’s bull. I seen the video and you can see clearly that he was walking towards Victor’s house all tough you don’t walk on nobody’s property trying to look for trouble cause you’re gonna have it coming. This Man is not a thug or a troublemaker he was a hardworking man trying to give his Family a better life without knowing he was going to find himself in a situation like this. His Daughter had got jumped by this guys, this guys will terrorize his home cops never did anything in regarding this matter, that’s why he went out of his way and install cameras all over his house … so what is a Father suppose to do to protect his Family nobody has a right to leave in Fear in their own home. It comes to a point in life we’re people get fed up and a person has a limit and that limit comes to and end. Unfortunately
    Christopher Flores went looking for trouble and found it. I repeat, again … I seen the video, people can say whatever they want but a video does not lie .

    • @ledis…well said, you are so right. No girl has a right to leave in fear knowing that there are guys not girl but guys! That are going to jump her. I think victor did more than good. Thanks to victor that “kid” what u guys call is dead he is no longer terrorizing the neighborhood or the neighbors although his twin brother is still alive intimidating the neighbors. This is embarrassing how they call their selves gangster let me tell you a gangster has respect and this “hoodlums” aka bumsK never did and still don’t because they ain’t men enough grow some balls this is not fair to victor.

      • @Ledis Yes ! well said I do agree with you … I myself live right next to the incident … and after I seen this and have known more about this situation , I think I would of done the same ever since this incident occurred > I have bought myself a big toy (GUN) with a permit and everything , I am not going to let this wanna b thugs terrorized my community or my Family so , If I feel that my Family and I, are in danger … I will sure use it and won’t think about it twice , so if they even try to step in my property and start trouble they better think about it… cause I won’t hesitate < on using it. Think before you go looking for trouble and for all those neighbors that live around here should do the same out of protection . We can't be letting this wanna b thugs terrorize our community or other neighbors (Neighborhood Watch) This kids are no ANGELS … I'm a neighbor I know … And I personally spoke a couple of times with Mr Flores … and this Man is a good Man what ever lead Mr. Flores to do this he had enough already … Mr. Flores felt he was in danger to see this kid walking towards his house with the brother walking in the back … Is easy for people to say call the cops , The cops we're called many times but never did shit. So < If I see this happening I wouldn't have any choice either but to do the same as Mr. Flores , I hope justice is serve and Mr Flores can walk back in the streets as a FREE MAN again. What ever he did, it was in self-defense and out protection towards his Family. Is tough but we need to accept it Christopher Flores was NOT a good kid … Maybe he was to his Family and Fellow Friends but not to the Neighbors. Right know is a little calm, and as a Concern Neighbor I hope it stays that way.

        • FREE MR VICTOR FLORES HE DID RIGHT AIN’T NOBODY GOING TO LET SOME STUPID BRAINLESS PEOPLE STEP IN PROPERTY AND STEP ALL OVER UR SELF LIKE THESE LIL BUMS WITH NO RESPECT DID !
          NO MEN JUMP GIRLS!! THATS FOR BITCHES ! GET THAT ISH!!
          EVERYBODY PROTECT YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR FAMILY!! FROM THESE BRAINLESS PEOPLE THINKING THEY GROWN BUT MAKING THEM SELVES LOOK LIKE SOME LIL KIDS INFRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT EVERYBODY KNOW THE TRUTH AND MR VICTOR WILL BE OUT SOON !! WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU MR VICTOR AND YOUR FAMILY .
          FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !! FREE MR VICTOR FLORES !!

  6. It’s funny how people talk and then don’t know how really everything happen. Victor and his family were good people . Chris and Michael would always bugging victors family. Victor spend a lot of money on putting security cameras and alarms . This gang members been boddering victor and his family since last year 2011 . This gang members surrounded his house with bats while victor was at work. This gang member also. Jumped victors daughter last year. Police never did nothing about them when victors wife would call. What a society we live in were sheriffs don’t even help us !! To all you gang members out there you guys fight for hood that is not even yours open yours eyes. You guys are youngsters go to school and learn something good like being someone in life NOT gang related shit !!

  8. No controversy should exist here at all:
    A “coward”, parolee, idiot and brain-less was gunned-down by a “BRAVE” father who tried to protec his Family from this
    Evil.
    He should be eligible to receive the “Medal of Honor” from the City of Palmdale, or even build a statue of the “Brave” father at any of the shopping centers located at the intersection of Avenue “R” and 47th. St.
    I hope this stop the controversy

      • I sure as hell do know he’s my cousin so don’t try and tell me I don’t know what happened..Thanks to that animal my cousin is no longer here..So glad Victor is going to rot in jail! He deserves to live the rest of his life with that guilt and if he isn’t guilty he has issues.

        • Woofim it up on the internet? Lol
          You guys should just get off victor’s nutts already
          it is what it is that FOOL is dead [removed] it !

  9. Much Love Chris<33 just to let you know my boy They raised that assholes bail now to 2.2 Million for sure he will end up in prison now there just awaiting his court so they can charge him He's going rot in there for his entire life For what he did to you… Paybacks a Bitch so remember that Victor Manuel Flores You'll get yours soon

    • Actually a jury will decide Mr.Flores fate. His crime may seem cut and dry, however they are many legal ways that would enable him to walk free.
      You however sound bitter.
      Apparently there are people who did not learn from the deceased mistakes.
      Mr.Flores was pushed into this, right or wrong. The lesson to be learned from all this is to not try to intimidate or harass other people.

      It may cost you your life.

      • Javier stf up and go sit in the corner u need to do some [removed] research on what happend the only person who was pushed was Chris running to save his twin brother because mr Flores bitch daughter couldn’t keep her mouth shut

      • Yeah the jury will decide but look at this That asshole got ! count of Murder And 2 Counts of assault with a deadly weapon ?? Whats makes you think he’ll be out any time soon ??? He wont thats the beauty of it Hell never see the streets or his home ever again in im glad cause he deserves every punishment he gets

        • I fill sorry for all of you stupid kids they dont know life.. Yes to be in the street doing nothing good yes to make people’s life a night mare grow up and change yor life..i know victor for years and he is a good man and a good father and his 15 year old girl it always at home not a crazy girl like you said and they taking this shit from those twins for more them a year all ready and i fill sorry for chris but he was not an angel or nite like that hello an every body said a child it was always back and 4 to jail idk if that is a angel.. Right

          • @Blanca Ok tell me then if he was such a ‘GOOD’ Man then Why’d he shoot my freind 7!!! Freaking times ????????????????????? explain that?? wait you cant cause he intentionally wanted to kill My Friend!!! a good man doesnt go around shooting kids he should’ve just ignored him an took his old ass back home along with his daughter …..

          • Really what you do if someone shot you douther in the back ask michael and ask his mom wy the brake they door and wy they sand jenny to the hospital a year ago and wy a while ago a girl try to kill her self because the twins put a gun to her and this family have to run away to another state.. Those are a good kid several time tell them they will kill them..

          • Victor should have called the cops or filed a complaint at the sheriffs station. Chris was a good kid. He might have had problems but that shouldn’t have cost him his life. The judge seems to agree seeing that his bail is now set at $2 million. Also Bianca, you need to learn how to spell.

          • I didn’t even know this boy Chris but i sure do hope that cold blooded killer rots in prison! Whatever problems he had with the boys he should of dealt with them the correct and legal way! Not by shooting him 7 times! & I hear all this about a daughter. As a female I know that if we don’t want attention from a man we will avoid them as much as we can. Obviously that little girl wanted attention from the brothers. If she didnt she could of filed a restraining order against them, but she didn’t so she must of loved the attention the boys were giving her. I know Victor was “protecting” his daughter but that still gives him no right to go & shoot a little kid! He was only 17! he had much to live for! Wtf was going through Victor’s head!!! I just hope Victor rots in jail! cause that’s exactly what he deserves! That Victor guy is going directly to jail & from jail to hell! Cold blooded killer!! && Blanca or Bianca how old are you?? && Are you still going to school?? Cause you really need some education in your life. With that grammar hunny you aren’t going far! May Chris RIP! && Victor rot in jail!!!

          • the son was know good if he was a ganmember the man was taking care of his family and his wife and daugther that was 15 years.the ganmember mother told the boys to get out of the gan.

        • Christ.was not an angel he did when to jail numerous times no one.knows he came from a gang members family look at his twin brother and friends people just excused him for being a minor but he definitely when victors house to find trouble victor did not when to his house to kill him he have kids he would never done it if he didnt felt.that Christ gang was going to put hia family in dangers plus Christ mom got.caught with her son breaking victors door by the security camaras what a mother helping the son to get in trouble. So many people talking [removed] but no one knows there is always two side.of the.storie but anyone who has kids knowing that a guy ia coming to ur house to put ur family in danger probably anyone would have done it too.

        • What’ up with you Jane. Was him tu “padrote” or what?
          Also, no matter how much the bail is right now.. You’ll be surprise how much will be reduced when Victor is in front of the Judge. This is how the system works.
          He has NO PREVIOUS Felonies or even less, criminal record.
          But, The “little angel” kept the law enforcement busy all the time during his short life.
          All the Community should learn from this tragedy.

          • Thats Right Johny much respect. I was in jail with his daughter. shes 17 and Victor is a good hard working guy. and Chris was scared of her ahahahaha

          • And I bet u all consider Victor’s 17 yr old daughter an “angel” although she had been locked up too, right?

          • Victor 17 yr old daughter was a really respectful girl she never messed with neighbors & she wouldnt look for problems,alot of people respect her because she has respect,DONT compare victor’s daughters with the one that died ! Plus his daughter would never jump little girls or chase nd try to fight little girls !

          • @ kesty, honey that girl was jumped to get into a gang n not by Chris n his brother but by other twins. All u defending Victor n his daughter talk crap about Chris expecting everyone else to believe everything u post about him, yeah he might have done some bad things but tell me what teenager doesn’t do anything bad during their teen years? Besides if u want to talk crap about gang bangers then don’t forget to mention Victor’s daughter as well, n please stop trying to dirty Chris’ soul as if he was a criminal or murderer.

          • @kay .Theres alot of teenagers & they dont do so many dumb things like those guys did. and victor 17 yr old daughter never lived in palmdale , if you want to talk about some family you dont know i suggest you to find out facts. “Chris” is not an angel they just some disrespectful boys looking and asking for problems. if people look for problems they gonna find them !

          • Is hes name chris aka fight little girls ? Cus thats what him and his ” little homies” from his gang are known for. EMBARRASED !

      • Javier; Sounds like if you were dating this “Angel”.
        Pinche Maricon cochino… Get a life.
        Don’t forget:
        “El Valiente vive hasta que el Cobarde quiere”.
        Did you get it “wey”?
        It’s been proven again. And this is for all the $tupid ignorants:
        Yes, He got killed in front of Victor’s House.
        What would you do if some one knocks on your door threatening you that he will kill your Family?
        Be realistic: People who knows Victor’s Family, knows what type of family he has.
        People who knows the “Little Angel”, knows what type of Family he has.

          • @bigdaw: Otro “maricon” who is crying for his boyfriend.
            Get a life pinche lacra apestosa…
            I have manners, but I also can reply to you the same way you write your comments..Marica..LOL!!!

          • @ chinga tu madre guey, el apestoso ere tu guey, manners? obiusly you don’t have any you [removed] idiot, maricon? that must be you trying to defend your boyfriend victor, why don’t you go in with him so that way you 2 can take turns droping the soap, get a life you [removed] looser wanna be all macho behind the screen

          • @Bigdaw: Te dolio Wey the comments from Johny?
            Do you want to pick up the soap again? All your Friends know that you love to do it all the times.Also, Everybody knows that you are a “master” at this sport.
            Pinche “marica” de barrio. Get a Life,…..Looser!

    • Justice will be made n we’ll all be praying for Victor to rot in jail. Chris could of been a “bad guy” like many say but he never murdered someone unlike the “good guy” Victor

      • Poor girl… crying for the “wannabe”….
        That is correct, he never murdered any one, but he was about to do it. It was either Victor or the “little Angel”
        But since the “little Angel” was an idiot…Victor responded faster than him…
        It is what it is……
        BTW..This neighborhood is resting now finally.
        Why: Because there is no more gratify in our neighborhood, CLEAN AIR.. No more weed smell anymore.

        WOW.. What a relief..

        • Poor Girl? Excuse me honey I’m a grown woman mother of 3 lil girls so I know how much a mother loves her kids regardless of the good or bad. I’m not crying over a “wannabe” I have respect for a lost life n for the family who are now suffering over a lost. Victor responded faster to his animal instinct!
          There won’t be any resting in the neighborhood a life was taken away coldblodded Victor’s family won’t even have peace his daughter will have to live with a dirty conscience knowing all this happened cuz she was pretending to be a good girl at home while being out she was gang banging too

  10. I feel bad for mr Flores but then again u took it too far!!i feel for both family’s rip Chris Flores n joust hope u youngsters learned something from these n to stay out of trouble!

    • I feel sorrow for the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, family, and friends. I also feel anger at, and hate evil. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, and love others, yes even your enemies. This madness that leads to these tragedies brings pain to too many families. It will not stop until we all turn to Jesus Christ. If we look at all the sides, every person involved was breaking one of God’s laws. But this same God is the God of Mercy and Love and will welcome anyone that comes to Him willingly, it’s never too late! I pray to Him that he brings strength, comfort, and peace to all who were touched by this tragedy.

  11. This parent all he did is protect his fam, I really hope they treat him fair on trial.I’ve been on the same situation when I was younger wana be thugs (lit kids) will terrorize the neighborhood,neither the parents or cops will do anything.I don’t feel bad for the 17yr old he got what he really asked for!! A parent will always defend his kids no matter what,and if we need to blame someone is the parents of this 17yr old.

    • All he did was protect his family?! You ppl make me sick!!! What he did was take a life, you’re so ignorant! From the sound of it you have no clue about either family so just shut your mouth!

    • How can you feel sympathy for the man he shot 7 times and chris was coming home from dropping off his girlfriend his family saw him collapse right in front them the guy who shot chris was an ex girlfriends dad that so called man wasn’t defending his family

      • You guys obviously don`t know the boys family with all the crap you are talking. They were not a gang family at all. He had a loving mother and father, and a loving stepmom. Brothers and sisters also that loved him very much. This is a grieving family, show some respect for them.

    • I hope he gets the death penalty. He shot the kid 7 times in the back on the kid’s property. Every time the kid tried to get up Victor shot him. Victor’s excuse for over reacting was that he was fired from his job earlier that day! You need to get your facts straight before you post it. Protecting his family my ass

      • @Travie818;
        Don’t forget: “El que rie al ultimo rie mejor”.
        Let’s all be parient for his trial. I believe that Justice will be served.
        We hope to see Mr. Flores walking on the streets soon.

        BTW, I’ll stop posting and reading coments in this blog.
        Thank you for your time, specially to all the “followers” of the “little angel” for replying to all my comments. Bye, see ya’, Later, chao, Hasta Nunca…

  12. I feel for Chris’s mother and family I won’t judge because I don’t know all the facts. But regardless of the facts no human being has the right to take anybody’s life away.. Mr. Flores had no right to shoot him regardless if the circumstances!

  13. His facebook page says his friends should wear blue to honor him, and that he’ll be smoking blunts in heaven… He shouldn’t have been killed. His parents should have had their asses kicked and their kids taken away. Their remaining children should be removed, but it might be too late to make a difference… Terrible parents. Can’t blame the kids.

  14. No matter what anyone says or feels everyone should remember a ADULT took a gun and shot a CHILD. There is no reason for any of us to make BOTH families feel anymore loss or hurt than they do. This is a tragedy for both families a s going to be incredibly hard for them to overcome. They need the support of everyone not the criticism or judgement.

    • Child????

      17 years old is hardly a child. Throw in child or not, you come on my property and try to harm my family, you just might end up dead

        • @love aka the wanna be lover !
          No . shows how much you know because for your info ,the bum WAS NOT on his property! He went to victor’s house and everybody knows that . So just dont keep making your self look so dumb

        • I don’t know Victor Flores but I know his a hard working man and all he was doing was protecting his Family, I seen the Video myself and for those that are claiming the Teen got shot in front of his property that’s bull. I seen the video myself and you can see clearly that he was walking towards Victor’s house all tough you don’t walk on nobody’s property trying to look for trouble cause you’re gonna have it coming. This Man is not a thug or a troublemaker he was a hardworking man trying to give his Family a better life without knowing he was going to find himself in a situation like this. His Daughter had got jumped by this guys, this guys will terrorize his home cops never did anything in regarding this matter, that’s why he went out of his way and install cameras all over his house … so what is a Father suppose to do to protect his Family nobody has a right to leave in Fear in their own home. It comes to a point in life we’re people get fed up and a person has a limit and that limit comes to and end. Unfortunately
          Christopher Flores went looking for trouble and found it. I repeat, again … I seen the video, people can say whatever they want but a video does not lie .

      • Yes child….. Legal age is 18. I was not at the incident there for can not speak on what happened. I know a family lost their CHILD! Another is loosing their father. Your so quick to judge Chris and his family but the man shooting him has now left his family unprotected. Oh wait they can do the right thing and call the POLICE! Just because you assume some one is evil doesn’t give you the right to take the law into your own hands!
        Chris’ family doesn’t deserve to be put on trial by you! Mr Flores’ family doesn’t deserve to be put on trial by any of us! There were 2 people involved one lost a life and the other only time will tell.
        SHOW SOME RESPECT TO BOTH FAMILIES and stop passing judgment

          • Jackie shut your pie hole already. Dont take a side then finish your story off with a pretend to be neutral ending. Despite what the law states about 17 still being a child, reality is he a man. If this so called Kid has the hair on his nuts and balls big enough to screw with a real man family. Then he better be ready to get treated like one. You all keep saying he didnt deserve to be shot 7 times. The amount of times isnt the problem here. That just means the Dad cant shoot for shit. When the Dad made the decision to pull the gun out, his intentions werent just to hurt him. He had enough and wanted him dead. The dad just cant shoot a gun very well. So enough of the excessive force bullxxxx. Bottom line is he finished the job. Not sure how the rest of you people were raised but my ole man taught me when i was growing up that you pull a gun on someone to protect yourself and your family. And at the point you feel you or your familys lives are in danger, you shoot to kill and dont stop until there dead. A dead man cant testify in court nor come back for revenge. Which based on what im gathering from both sides, the dad did exactly that. problem is the dad didnt do it in the correct manner that covers his ass in a legal battle thats about to unfold. And the way or justice system is, the dad might be screwed regardless of whether or not he pulled the trigger. You shoot someone, you better be willing to risk it all. If you dont shoot the kid, you better be prepaired to at some point in time. Cuz the on the streets you call the cops on people like him or his family, your labelled as a “Cop caller or Snitch” and depending on who you did it too, the end result sometimes puts you or your family in casket. Or the other option is to put your faith in the legal system and there gun slinging, trigger happy, posse of “organized crime” that we call sheriff and hope that they take your side and give you the protection and support needed to put an end to this before it got ugly. And thats like asking a catholic priest to watch your kid for the night. That can be a good thing or that can be the worst decision youve ever had to make. Theres no one clear way to handle this type of situation without paying the price one way or another. It really sounds like the dad should of went over to the young mans house and whooped his parents ass for raising and encouraging this type of behavior and if it still continued then shoot the bastard. On the flip side, Dad, dad, dad…what the hell were you thinking? You shoulda known better (if the statement is true)that you cant plug someone that was unarmed, and at the very second wasnt an “immediate” threat to you or anyone of your family members, specially not in the back. Without some type of throw down weapon to place in his dead hands, and certainly not with any possible witnesses around. Theres a time and a place for everything. So start praying to the lord that you win the coin toss on this one. Cuz it sounds to me like you made a 25 years to life mistake if i know the legal system like i do. I feel for you pops, you let your anger get the best of you. For the young man, you died young i agree. You bit of more then you could chew. Had your brain had the chance to catch up with your balls proportionally, maybe have a kid of your own. You would of known that you can only mess with someones child so much before you cross a thin invisible line that even those that draw the line, cant even see for themselves sometimes. But they know its there somewhere. And you willingly jumped over it like a man and you got treated like a man. But hopefully theres something positive that will come from such a tragic ending. Maybe this will save many other lives of those that witnessed it, read about it, or heard about it. Cuz theres a valuable lesson to learn from both sides. #1 Dont let your mouth bite off more then your ass can crap. Specially if you only bring your mouth to a gun fight. #2. Learn when, where, and how to shoot a gun before you ever hold one. Last but not least #3. Learn some common sense before attempting either one of the two. Unless your willing to risk life or death on a coin a toss. Rest in peace both of you.

      • @ohyeah
        you are so right. 17yr old is barely a child ! When you hit 15 and 16 you know exactly what you’re doing . its called YOUNG ADULT ! only because he is not 18 doesnt mean he did not know what he was doing, he knew exactly . him and his friends would always do whatever they want,im glad they found some one that put him a stop,now theres peace in the neighborhood what a relief .they would just look like bumz drinking and smoking in the streets all day and all night.

  15. That hoodlum “gang are a bunch of [removed] ……drop that [removed] already that’s not a real hood ive seen all them they all look like little lame ass wannabes …..

    • Everyone is so quick post ignorant comments without knowing the facts. There is always 2 sides to a story, and everyone will have their own point of view. That is what makes us wonderful human-beings with that said please keep your rude comments to yourself at least out of respect to the family that lost their loved one, Christopher’s mother never gave up on him, nor did she encourage him in the negative choices he may have made. Not only will his mother have to live without her son, she has to live with the memory of seeing her son being shot numerous times by this man whom everyone is praising for being an idiot to say the least, including his daughter that goes to show what type of parenting he did. Just thought i would add that since you all want to pass judgement on Christopher’s parents. Let us not forget the trouble his daughters have been in as well. The truth will come out to the open, unfortunately for Christopher that will not bring him back, but justice will be served. In the meantime please allow his family to grieve in peace without all the negative comments, and let the authorities do their job, and stop trying to play detectives. Whatever Christopher did in his life he can no longer change Mr. Flores took away any chance of that ever happening. So leave it in the past, concentrate on this moment the life of this young man is gone, and a family is devastated.

      • Soo true u said everything soo well . People need to focus on the fact that regardless a innocent life was taken , as bad as everyone talks about Christopher he never killed anyone so really who is more guilty someone that just talked or the one that couldn’t be man enough and took a life, how much fear can u live I’n if Ur 36 and the other person is only seventeen … My condolence to the Flores family……..

        • Both are flores family.. And im sorry but how you know crish never kill
          Whem some one doing grafity and your house braking doors sen your homies to jump to a girl and sen her to the hospital.. That is a good kid and michael have a gun and shot the 15 yearl old wy no body said anythink about that..

          • Blanca dear stop making a fool of yourself n learn how to write, your grammar n spelling are awful my 3rd grader can do much better than u. Anyways I for a fact know Chris NEVER KILLED anyone! N if Michael would of shot your sister I’m sure he would be paying for it, don’t u think so? Oh yeah why don’t u mention that the time your sister got jumped was because she was going to join a GANG? Your sister is not an angel either honey

  16. First off, there is a difference between being charged with homicide versus being charged with murder. Victor was charged with murder meaning that the police believe he had the intent to take someone’s life!! Why did Victor have a gun on him in the first place? Did he go back into his home and grab it?? That is cold blooded murder. He should have called the police not kill a kid. I honestly think that both sides were looking for a fight but Victor played dirty. I cannot believe all of the ignorance I see in some of these comments. I’m sure both sides of the story are bias but, NOBODY deserves to be shot SEVEN times for being a menace. That would be like giving someone the death penalty for tagging, playing loud music, throwing up gang signs, being on probation or making threats. Yes, some of the things listed are serious and may inspire fear but, they’re not worth the death penalty. If the shooter’s family called the cops on Chris they should have made a formal complaint. I guess this will come out when the defendant goes to court. If Chris continued being a menace he and his family would have been charged $1000 every time the cops had to come out. I have despicable neighbors but there’s no way i’d shoot them because I have self control. I understand how frustrated the shooter must have been but, he should have used self control. It is as if nobody in this terrible scenerio understands that for every action there is a reaction. Chris pissed off his neighbor and died (extremely strong reaction). His family is never going to see him again. The neighbor lacked self restraint and killed a kid for pissing him off and now his reputation is stained and his children have to live with the fact that their dad is going to be labeled a murderer. Plus, if I were the shooter’s family i’d probably live in fear of retribution/ retaliation. Where’s the common sense in any of this??!!

    • Easy to talk when you don’t live it. I was in a gang I never picked fights with girls he had no respect I have some gang related tattoos and I wish I could remove them. Be realistic the police would have done nothing that’s reality the guy Victor might have thought if he shoots him and he is not dead he is going to come back and kill him so he had no choice Gang Members have no respect for anyone so be it hope you don’t run into a smart Aass when you get mugged one day by one then you will see and hate them and think different for now I still say I would have done the same to protect my family but if I was going down I would have shoot all the gangster there present.

      • Pick fights with girls and showed no respect obviously you dont know what was going on if you say a girl that has a picture of herself holding a shotgun possing with it saying there all about being down is inocent then damn you must be fd up in the head there buddy

        • Wow sorry so she the girl who was the victim was like that or is in that case both should have been erased from the map would have been a better place in the good old compdale area one less wanabee to worrie about. if that the case i dont have SYMPATHY for any of the two FAM i know its hard but try and have your kids on check people i know sometimes its hard but try hard im sure you all perents dint bring kids into this world just to be Gangsters.my last comment i have better things to do. like i said no more SYMPATHY for any fams.

      • I grew up in Canoga Park and now live in North Long Beach. I am surrounded by gangs. Nobody has the right to take another person’s life. That is for the law to decide. Nobody should have to live in fear and there should not be gangs to begin with. I have researched the history of gangs and what they have become now is totally different and out of control. It’s young kids who join because theyre too young to know the difference and then they grow up and they’re stuck in the gang life. The government should take more responsibility. There should be more mentoring and after school programs to help these young lost youths. Also, for the record, ive been raped and mugged asshole. I still don’t walk around carrying a gun.

        • more mentoring and after school programs? you mean more than we already have?

          so what youre actually saying is “we need the taxpayers to pay even more taxes than they already do because people who shouldnt have kids do and then they can’t take care of them”

          how much money have we thrown at free breakfast programs? free lunch programs? after school programs? before school programs? midnight basketball programs? unwed mother programs? deadbeat dad programs?

          ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

          I have a message for anyone who will listen!

          If you arent in the position to have kids and expect the government (taxpaying public) to raise them for you, then please do us a favor and dont get pregnant!

          • First, Wow you’re an idiot. What if our government stopped paying for cable in prisons and refrained from giving companies like Halliburton money that they just pocket. People on death row don’t need a last meal their victims didn’t get one why should they. Also, all the appeals convicted killers file for cost the tax payers millions of dollars. Then we have lethal injection that costs a lot of money. I say we use the Russian system, take them out back and shoot them… or a cheaper idea would be to use a noose. Maybe this would deter people from murdering others.
            Yes, there is going to be a measure on the up coming ballot that will give the voters the option to raise taxes so that classes don’t have to keep getting cut and teacher’s won’t continue getting laid off but, mayber our government should start redirecting the tax payer’s money to what’s important. Public schools have been taking drastic tax cuts the past ten years!! Schools aren’t seeing any of the tax payers’ money instead teachers are being laid off and colleges aren’t accepting incoming students during the spring semester and cutting their classes.
            Second, Way to go you sound a little like Hitler. I dislike the fact that some people take advantage of the welfare system but, some truly need it. Would you prefer us to be like China and instead of murdering girls murder the children of people with low IQ’s. Abraham Lincoln’s parents were not intelligent… So you sound like a Communist Lincoln killing Hitler.

        • First my condolences to all survivors on both sides and I pray that the Lord Jesus brings them strength and comfort. I like your attitude but you must have looked at the wrong research about gangs, beacuse the real reason is that God’s order has been violated. The reason for gangs is the absence of the father and being raised by only women. Boys need a man (the right way their father) in order to become a man. When boys grow up with only their mother and often along with grand mother, they long to be a man and gangs offer that opportunity. Gangs also provide those vital needs that fathers should provide such as protection, a sense of belonging, importance, and identity as a man. But gangs do not heal the father wound so the hurt is what ends up making gangs violent.

    • Your so stupid he.did not have any intentions to kill Chris. Chris when go his house to fight.with him whag an angel.thinking oh im a minor anything he is the one getting in trouble because his the adult when this kid ia not a good.student and have been I jail for felony so his not an angel at all

      • really? he had no intention to kill Cris? then why did he shoot him in the back continuously every time he tried getting back up? i see both sides of the stories, i understand that Chris was doing wrong, but he had no reason to die. if Chris wanted to fight, then why was victor such a pussy to bring out a gun?

  17. Ok to all look at this way like five or more young men come over to your house to cause trouble you are the only man in the house with a few doughters only and they are being attacked what would you do call the police oh and one of them has a gun???? tell me what would you do.
    ALL i can say is if those young men are gang members you cant trust none even a 12 year old now days they will shoot you dead cold so you have to act before they do i would have done the same thing to protect my fam.I THINK WE ALL CAN JUDGE THE SHOOTER BUT WHAT IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND what would you be saying???? IF YOUR IN A GANG BE DOWN FOR YOUR [removed] YOU STARTED TO F*** WITH THE WRONG MAN AND YOU LOST THE MAN SHOULD BE SET FREE AND THE COMMUNITY SHOULD GET TOGHTER AND WE SHOULD GET ALL THOSE BAD KIDS ON CHECK OR DRIVE THEM OUT OF THIS TOWN THEY ARE ALL COWARDS WHEN THEY ARE ALONE HE WAS NO ANGEL IF HE WAS IN A GANG LOOK AT HIS PICTURE AND YOU JUDGE FOR YOUR SELF.IM NOT SAYING IM GLAD HE ID DEAD BUT HE WAS LOOKING FOR THAT END IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED SONNER OR LATER.TO ALL HIS HOMIES GET OUT OF THE GANGS STUDY GET AN ADUCATION A GOOD PAYING JOB.

    • First of all homeboi set this mann free what a joke u say u used 2 kick it well me 2 been upstate and done my share of dirt…I also am against gangs and what they stand for but in no shape or form should this asshole be realesed ….u call this kid a th ug and sayng a man should be praised for killing a young mann and I say ur full of shit …don’t forget were u came from homeboi and that u used 2 be that kid that people looked down upon what if ur life would have been taken the way chris life was taken how would your mother feel do u think she would like to see and read post like urs saying how ur murderer should be set free shame on you ….and I cactually am someonne close to his family and had the opp. 2 sit with chris and his bro and talk 2 them about gangs and they were honestly good kids wh lost there way like a lot of young hispanic men like myself and so many others and sadley 4 chris he fell victi 2 the street ….I kno wat happend and he didn’t deserve this now my little nephew and my sister in law will grow up and live without a brother and an uncle all because an adult couldn’t handle the situation like an adult against a kid….and all u people running ur mouths ? His mothers parenting skills shame on u also its not her fault I didn’t grow up in the hood I come from a good family I chose 2 be involved with the street life and there wasn’t a damn thing my parents could do about it …so why don’t u guys take a look in the mirror b4 u pass judgement on others

      • You have a good point peace treaty but both of those young kids the boy and girl where in bad tracks sonner or later it was in their story book they had it comming. WHERE THEY RELATED???same last name

        • No they weren’t. Related. And if my my last comment seemed a lil rude or too fwd I’m sorry but I couldn’t sit here and let people speak on a situation they knew no details about. I respect. Everyones opinion but saying he deserved what he got was just 2 much and not speaking on u speaking on people in gen.

  18. I’m sure he got what was coming to him..I have seen these kids at Dominic Masari Park tagging..smoking weed and hitting up other kids as if they banged like them, there a bunch of pussies..I was born and raised in Los Angeles (south central)and lived there for 26 years. I can speak first hand that gang members are a menace and don’t care about who they hurt to them it’s all “[removed] IT I’M DOWN” it’s for the barrio..It’s sad that kids get involved in gangs and I truly feel for the family (unless the family banged as well) but when you bang only 3 things can happen..1)Prison..2)Death..3) WheelChair..I’m not sure why these idiots are out here banging in the first place if your truly a a hardcore banger than go bang where banging means something like south central LA but to bang in Palmdale as if your hard well lets just say thats pathetic..I’m sure the father shot this guy for a reason and that reason was protection and please don’t speak of calling the Sheriff’s in the end they can’t do anything if they don’t catch them committing a crime..I can see by his facebook page that he was a really good kid wink wink..We all should unite and put an end to this ( we out number them by the thousands )they couldn’t touch us. All these so called gang members latino black or whatever should be put in prison or killed. Come on fellas get a life it’s 2012 gangbangin is played out this isn’t the late 80’s early 90’s that sherm stick you bangers smoke got you dummies tripping you look like fools!

  19. my aunt and her kids live right next to chris what if that coward ass dad would have shot one of my family members? he shouldve thought about it before he pulled a gun on a 17 year old.

  20. People that dont know the reason this happened should really not judge Victor or his family. Chris and his brothers/friends have been terrorizing and vandalizing this neighborhood, especially that family. Ever since they moved to boxthorn there has been graffiti, private and public property was vandalized and a lot of gang activity and drug use in front of chris’s house. Victor spent a lot of time and money putting up security cameras and alarm system because of those guys.I deeply believe that victor felt that his family has being threatened and in danger. On 9/24 Chris went over to victors house to start trouble with his daughters and family not once , but twice. This IS a FACT.I believe Victor over reacted by pulling out the gun and i feel they should of just called the cops. I feel for both families because they both lost a loved one. Its a shame that Chris Flores had to do die, my condolences go out to his family during this difficult time. I hope this is a wake up call to Chris’s “homies” and mother. That gangs are a waste of time and they will only bring and cause trouble to you and your loved ones and your neighborhood. I also hope that this neighborhood comes together to establish a neighborhood watch program so we dont have any more crimes especially since there are many children living in this neighborhood. I am personally sick of all thats been going on and i am not going to hesitate calling the cops anymore. This mess could of all could of been avoided.

      • Then you all know one of his daughter’s is a gang memeber. So glad all the neighbors are well aware of their surroundings. No matter what you all say he was wrong, instead of looking at what this boy DID, past tense focus on your children if you’re blessed enough to have them, and pray you never see your child’s life taken in such a cold hearted way. Mind your own business focus on becoming a better person. You are no better than the next person talking about a boy that is no longer here to defend himself.

        • Hey Love…. I think you need help with your depression for the terrible loss of your “padrote”.
          If you still want to remember him, just open his Facebook Page… you can find “nice pictures” of him….

        • Why are you guys talkin about the 17 year old ? She has nothing to do with all this plus she wasnt living in palmdale and never socialized her self with those”lil kids” how you guys want to call them. you guys should find out facts and stop talkin and get in in other people’s life

  21. Rest In Paradise Chris And To Everyone Being Dumb And Saying Stupid Stuff Don’t Say Anything Unless You Knew Chris On His Good Side He Wasn’t A Bad Kid He Was A Great Friend! So Go Away Let Him Rest In Peace! Chris Your Gone Now But You’ll Never Be Forgotten! <3

    • Channel 3 says it’s the teenagers fault for terrorizing the family, the AV Press says it’s the shooter’s fault for getting involved in his daughter’s relationship with the twin brother of the dead teen. This saga is worse than Jerry Springer. From what I can tell there are two different versions and then there is the truth. It just seems to be a horrible situation all around.

      • My Friend Joseph is friends with chris, joseph use to be in the same gang that chris use to be in called “HOODLUMS” He was there when chris got shot. Chris was shot by his neighbor because Chris And two of his friends Justin and Jason jumped the neighbors daughter. Yes they did get locked up for that, but they were released a month ago. And yesterday that girls father got drunk, and im guessing he still wasn’t over it about them putting hands on his daughter. So he shot Chris. Its not a bull[removed] story, so belve ehat u wanna belive but this is the truth.

        • Even though you’re friends with someone you don’t know details so don’t go around saying things you don’t know.

  23. All I can say is that reading these comments makes me want to get the hell out of Palmdale. There’s no way I’m raising my family here to grow up around people who don’t see value in their lives or in others. Gangs do not provide any protection for you. You’re at a greater risk of losing your lives and losing those around you when you’re in a gang. It’s amazing how many people lack common sense these days.

    Not to mention, my 5 year old speaks and writes better than most of you.

    I wish birth control was mandatory for you idiots. We don’t need you producing little idiot children.

    • your just as ignorant as these buttheads. a child does not become a thug because of who they are born too! a child becomes a thug because no one was there to teach them or tell them diffrent! and its not where you live thats makes diffrence on how your child is raised its how you teach your child. you talk about leaving and not raising your child in palmdale! Lady let me explain something to you no matter where you go there will be gangs! because there will always be some idiot out there who didnt find or have the time to show there kids diffrent. you have to educate your self before you can educate others! I have 4 kids all of them born and raised in Palmdale, not one of them is in a gang I have two college kids and one h.s child and one middle school. when my kids ask questions I answer with all honesty not try to sweet talk it. I make it clear what a cholo is! and what can happen to them if they even think about becoming one or hanging out with one.. so do your self a favor educate your self before you talk cause right now that spoiled 5 yr old you have I guarentee will drive you nuts when he/she turns 13 trust me. don’t speak until you’ve been there and for the record I grew up around gangs I grew up around the Gangs. I learned that this what not any kind of life I wanted for me or my family and you never know your nieghbor may just be a crack head or a crack dealer. I’m just saying don’t be so quick to judge!! oh and FYI I’m a college graduate I have a Masters in Physiological Genomics and one in Human Physiology. so with that in mind please think about what you say before you say it.

      • Lilybee, getting those Masters degrees they would have pushed a little more on writing structure, no?

        It is hard to take you seriously with such poor writing skills to be honest.

        • Just because one has a Masters degree, don’t expect perfect English grammar, punctuation and sentence structure. Especially if said masters degree is in a science-based field. English language knowledge is more of a right-brain feature, whereas, people in the sciences are more left-brain oriented. So it is perfectly reasonable to expect even an M.D. to exhibit satisfactory writing ability while being a brilliant surgeon. Most of the books “written” by M.D.’s and other science-based professions were actually skillfully made cohesive by English majors.

          • I love the excuse, but to be able to proficiently discuss ideas, learn, and share ideas you have to be able to actually read science journals, and release papers to peer review. So the right/left brain excuse is overused as well as an excuse to laziness at being a well rounded individual.

            I am not saying she did not receive the Masters, but one has to wonder if she actually deserved to receive it. Or if she actually deals with communications regularly.

            Yes, they have interns, assistants, etc help write them, but your brain will tend to copy what it reads/interprets regularly.

            Also, to get a M.D. one would also have to pass general ed courses as well, which include English 101, etc.

        • The key word being “pass”, as you mentioned. C-level English is still passing. As an English major with a Masters degree myself, I have to remind myself that not everyone else’s major was English. One of the most brilliant men I know is an astrophysicist at Cal-Tech and he struggles immensely when it comes to cognitively applying ideas to paper in a somewhat coherent manner.

      • There’s no utopia, Ashley! the sooner you get that and realize it, the better you will be. By all means, move to “pristine” Santa Clarita where heroine and prescription drugs are raging like wildfire through the high schools. Yes, the same lily White Santa Clarita 25 miles south of us, that’s the one I’m talking about!

        • Valid arguments. There is not a utopia and parenting does have an enormous influence on how your children choose to behave as young adults. Noted.

          I’m still not raising my children here.

    • Palmdale is a very large and very spread out city, Ashley. The west end (Quartz Hill & Leona Valley) of Palmdale is approximately 21 miles from the east end (near Lake L.A.)

      Go down to the Los Angeles Basin and drive 21 miles and you will inevitably criss-cross in and out of many different neighborhoods, some bad, some OK and some great. Look at Granada Hills/Knollwood vs. Sylmar or Woodland Hills vs. Canoga Park and they are each less than five miles apart!

      Nobody ever says “Los Angeles is bad” because most people realize that there’s also good areas too. The same is true of Palmdale. The west side of Palmdale is considerably nicer than anything east of Sierra Highway. There are beautiful and well-kept homes on the west side of Palmdale that house doctors, lawyers, teachers, highway patrolmen, sheriffs deputies, aerospace workers, judges and administrators and they — like you — don’t care for or condone crime either.

      I think your comment as a blanket statement on all of Palmdale is pretty harsh, especially when you consider the immense amount of diversity in its neighborhoods and income levels.

      • To Mark K: You really made me laugh a lot when you said that West Palmdale has better places and people.
        What you forgot to mentioned is that you guys have the State Prison is less than 5 miles away from Quartz Hills, and from the West of Palmdale.
        In contrast, the East side of Palmdale is located about 25 to 30 miles from the same prison.
        My questions is, why to presume the beauty of the West Palmdale Area?

        • The prison may be in the west Palmdale/Lancaster area, but the inmate’s relatives, their families and most parolees reside on the ‘east side’. That should be clear to a blind man. Check it out.

          • Ah cabron!
            Sorry, I see now why you live in the “West”.
            To be closer to your relatives for the visiting days.

          • @Mario Bros. Hey ‘mano, why the name calling? I do live in the west; try Oxnard. I’m just an ex strawberry picker who made it good. Got an education and a nice job. There may be some Garcias in prison, but not related to me. You need to take a chill pill.

  24. Where is the parenting these days? Clearly, if you know your kid is throwing up gang signs on Facebook, posting pics of him and his homies drinking/smoking, fresh out and on probation…somethings wrong! This all could have been prevented. More than likely this is history repeating itself through generations…same ending. Sad.

    • I agree. So much of parenting today is nothing more than a sperm donor and an egg donor…that’s it. Let the schools, TV and the ‘village’ teach right and wrong, moral values, etc. That’s why this country is heading for the crapper.

  25. It is absolutely tragic that someone so young had to lose their life to learn the life lesson:

    You mess with the bull, you get the horn.

    Too many people just don’t take the time to think about the consequences of of their actions until it’s too late and then after the fact, they or those around them, whine about how severe the consequences are.

    The people who complain the most about finding trouble are usually those who go out in search of it.

    Again, it’s tragic that this young man lost his life and I do carry sympathy for his friends and family as they have lost a loved one.

  27. If a teen died, by the hands of a father who wanted to protect his family, I believed both families are suffering the tragedy of a loss. My condolences to both, the family of the teen and the family of the father that have lost the right to live with them.

  28. Idk why people are blessing this kid! Nobody knows what really happened but my family! You have no right to judje nobody! You dont know the reason that my father had to do it. People on the above messages said that why didnt we leave the police to handle it..? Because they wouldnt do anything about it!! My sister got jumped outside of her school because of him! We were threatened to be killed that night and Michael,his brother, did have a weapon on him and almost shot my sister. She also was taken to the hospitol ! Dont you think Michael too needs to be behind bars?? You people make me sick talking mess about my father!! You didnt know him. He was a good mad! He would of done anything for us and now hes all over the internet. I dont think anybody deserves death but what happened was for a reason!

    • Interested to hear more details about what led up to this. I can’t imagine that a father would have reacted in such a fashion without some serious reason to protect his family. It’s obvious that Chris was a menace, but why did he cause you’re family so much trouble? My heart goes out to both families and hope that in the end…the truth be told.

    • I underatand a person shooting in self defense, but not 7 times that is cold blooded murder and your father should rot in jail!

    • Dont listen to these dumb [removed]! They are all full of [removed]!! They can rot in hell for their comments. Your dad was a good man.. I will be praying for him…

      • Hope this guy gets his [removed] pushed in with the gun he used to kill a 17 year old you call that a man better change your role models of thinking what and who is a man what a coward enjoy the shower time there buddy Because your not going anywhere !!!!

        • That’s what a man is stupid, a person who will do what ever they have to, to protect his family… And who will do anything for his family no matter what the consequence…

          • You idiot a man fights with words if so fist dont bring a gun to a fist fight what a coward a grown ass man couldnt just walk inside and call the cops yet alone step in the street and accept or give a ass whooping but i guess your one of those new school know it all type stop looking to be a man and actually be one what a stupidass you are

    • If your father was such a good man, and the circumstances were so bad he should have tried to settle thing like an adult with the boy’s parents not with the boy by murdering him. If it got to the point where he could not turn to the athorities or to his parents being the good father, and man he was he should have moved his family to another neighborhood or State. My heart goes out to Christopher’s family.

      • why should he have to move from his home. Thats what’s wrong with people today their all some scared bitces. I would have done anything to protect a family.

        • That’s what a decent person would do. A real man would not end the life of another person let alone a teen who had his whole life ahea of him. Even though you all say he was a trouble maker he was only 17, and now his mother will never see him grow into a man. This grown ass man that should know better because he has children of his own should know right from wrong robbed him of his future. You have to be cold, and sick in the head to take a life.

      • First of all why would they have to move?? That kid should of never terrorize them or anyone.
        That parent did what he had to do to defend his fam. If that parent would of gone to the authorities which he had and nothing was done what makes you think by talking to that kid parent was going to change anything. Come on you really think this menace was going to listen to anyone…think think!!

      • Keep it tight for the boys in there dont drop the soap new name will be mrs.flores in there he like shooting youngl boys hope he like doing the same with grown ass man see what they think of him in there.

    • Really ? How stupid can you be ? Your father had no right too shoot him ! If he was threatening you the police would have done something about it your dad should have never brought a gun out and shot him 7 times that is doing the most , your sister is a little chola from reseda so stop trying to make your family seem innocent your sister would trade drugs for a kiss from one of the twins so just stop taking . No what happened was not for a reason what if your sister got shot 7 times. that wasn’t necessary . Your dad is a killer, your sisters a hoodrat, and your just a dumbass for saying its ok .

    • lol and i heard your daddy lost his jobd that same day, now whos gonna pay the bills and for you to eat? now that hes gonna be in jail for the rest of his life. HAHAHA

    • I guess it was a good thing that your dumb ass dad had cameras installed, apparently they capture your dad shooting chris seven times and also pointing the gun at everyone else who was there, oh!! wait! it also capture your dad shooting your sister to make it look like someone else hurt her. You and your family please grow a pair and take responsability for it was done.

      • @biddaw, Ya callate, callate que nos deseperas….
        Come on girl, go to finish your homework…

  29. first off the A.V. is a bad place dont kid yourself its not nice out here i have no criminal record no nothing im the shy kid who does what hes told and rarely talks inside the classroom i’ve talked to chris he was a really nice friend and he didn’t want to stay as you all call him “a thug” he didn’t want to do that stuff anymore but out here in the A.V. with all the other “thugs” the second you decide to just go good your instantly a target to all of you adults listen to me im a senior and im now in homeschooling you all dont know the youth of today if you think chris was a thug then these other teenagers, pre-adults, kids whatever you want to call them are hardened criminals like i have said i have no criminal record nor do i mess with anyone im pretty quiet in the class and only make friends not enemies yet i have been beaten recently by a group of 13 african americans some of which were in a gang i had to run to random houses because i lived an hour away from where i was beat my left eye was completely swollen i couldn’t see i had blood running down my face and when i was asking for a phone from random people they were shocked to see my face i had to go to the hospital but before i went i called the cops and they had these guys in their sight however the cops let them go and i was mad the cops asked if i knew their names and if i know where they live and i said no but you could’ve just had them and you let them walk away you see when things like this happen it makes you want to be “a thug” from what i see the A.V. is gone you adults just dont know it but once these teens grow up guess what now they are the adults and they will be the ones with kids teaching them how to be hardened criminals and by that time you’ll realize that this isn’t your peaceful little town like you thought it was this place is horrible either you quiet victim like me or your “a thug” who’s still the victim to the real thugs either way it goes no matter who you are your gonna die from the real thugs sooner or later even now im still a nice person trying to only make friends but guess what i still cant walk alone anymore every time i do now i run into those groups of cowards who always have to have 7 or more other people with them and still always have to try to fight 1 person thats alone thats just pathetic i still here them talking about beating me up sometimes when i run into the groups of various different cowards and they would try it but i tend to get lucky and hear one of the guys say no come on man lets just keep going the sad thing is if your a teenager out here you almost have to have some sort of gang or group or even just friends that are willing to fight because if you dont you’ll end up in the hospital and quite frankly the hispanics, whites, asians, native americans and such aren’t really the people you should be afraid of its mainly the african american teenagers that are causing a lot of the gangs and violence out here they have no sence of right and wrong at least chris knew he was doing bad at least chris didn’t go out everyday saying what innocent person am i going to hurt next instead he talked to me he opened up to me and told me his true desires and wishes he told me that he knew he messed up and that really all he wanted to do was have fun like any other person but were living in a corrupt world now chris was really just an innocent person that was caught in the grasp of this corrupt world and if you still think hes a hardened criminal and deserved to die then your only proving that im correct that this world is corrupt chris made mistakes but none that would end the life of another soul or cause another soul to want to end their life chris was caught this corrupt world and didn’t make it i pray for him and his family this world is so corrupt and im not going to be corrupt with it im going to stay strong no matter how many times i encounter the true evil in this world i might die from this corrupt world but at least i die knowing im a sane human being and not a corrupt adult talking about wanting the death of the children that they helped raise because as you may know it doesn’t take a single person to raise a child but a village and you are the village if you talk about wanting death of others because of their mistakes then your the ones who helped make their mistakes have a heart help our future generations by teaching them morals and manners rather then teaching them to be a jerk behind a computer and/or a jerk out on the street chris was a good man deep down if only the world was a kinder more forgiving place he’d be alive and he’d be that person that turned his life around and let the true angel in him shine for all to see and learn from R.I.P. Chris you really did make my life better had it not been for you entering my life i might be one of the heartless gangsters running around killing people based on nothing i truly miss you you were like a brother to me thanks for making me stay a great person :’/

    • “but guess what i still cant walk alone anymore every time i do now i run into those groups of cowards who always have to have 7 or more other people with them and still always have to try to fight 1 person thats alone thats just pathetic…if your a teenager out here you almost have to have some sort of gang or group or even just friends that are willing to fight because if you dont you’ll end up in the hospital and quite frankly the hispanics, whites, asians, native americans and such aren’t really the people you should be afraid of its mainly the african american teenagers that are causing a lot of the gangs and violence out here they have no sence of right and wrong”

      Out of the mouth of babes! never seen this kid post here before today and what he posts is quite revealing from the perspective of a young high school aged person. Of course “Greta” will always be in denial and never admit that the statistics and facts are highly stacked against her. This kid has no agenda other than to tell what he sees and knows to be true.

  31. It’s so sad what happen last night I actually next door to his house!! It’s so sad that a life was take yes!! I don’t know him or his family but my mother talks to his mom every time she sees her they are a great family may this young boy was in bad steps but really who are we to judge the parents?? We as parents try to guide and give our kids the best for them to become better in life! But if they take a wrong turn I know that we as parents will never give our kids our backs will be there to help them out and try to guide them again!! Very sad that he was so young and this traggedy happen!! Also for the gun man how sad that his life changed in a sec for a dispute and now his souls and hands have a stain of him taking someones life! My condolence goes out to Chris family may our lord give you and your family peace in you heart!! God Bless you and may his soul rest in peace!

  32. Well it really does not suprise me or anyone else for any matter these kids today seem like the world owes them something they know everything have no respect for anything or anyone ,so yes may he r.i.p may this be lesson learn cause now he is just a kid all of his friends are saying how can a 36yr old man do this..please what u do to others will come back to haunt u…grow up be something in life make use of yourselves life 2 short

  33. First off my condolence go out to the FLORES family. They lost a hard working family man… Its stupid ass kids that mess [removed] up for other people. Mr. Flores did what he did to protect what was his. I don’t feel any remorse for the other family. A father can only take so much crap from punk ass kids like that.. I give the Flores family mad respect…

    • That [removed] head salvi can rot in jail that piece of [removed] shooting a a kid cold blooded what a coward to shoot someone when the facts come out and shows this thing was plain murder all of u can shut the hell up and walk away i hope this so called hard man takes a knife to back on the main line pr he will be lucky and ride the lightning if only if only .

      • First off u can back the [removed] up.. you don’t know [removed], I do so [removed] off. So watch what u say.. He did what he do to protect his family… That dumb ass kid thought he was hard…

        • 1ST OFF ALL WATCH UR [removed]MOUTH HE AINT NO DUMB [removed] LIL KID SO [removed] U FOW U 36YEARS OLD AND GONE SIT AND ARGUE WITH 17 YEAR OLD SO [removed] OFF BITCH!!!!!!!!

  34. What is wrong with people?

    How unfortunate it is that someones losing their life can be taken so lightly by some.

    I pray for the family who lost their loved one. This is an extremely difficult time for them/

  35. I have one thing to say. Keep all this [removed] on the east side. I don’t care about anybody in this story….as long as no innocent decent people were hurt…and it appears that none were. Carry on.

  36. I don’t know this young man, but when a life is taken it is an extremely sad situation and it should not be taken lightly. From reading the article I see that a man was arrested for murder. Not manslaughter, murder.

    This means that the good boys at the LASD believe this man has taken this boy’s life in a manner that was not self defense. Regardless of how you feel about this young man, no one deserves to be murdered. It is a sad day when we have people reaching for their keyboards to type negative comments about a murdered 17 year old boy.

    I am not from this era. In my time we were taught not to speak ill of the dead. Some of you could learn a thing or two from my era.

    • Your right, we should never speak ill of the dead.

      As for the alleged murderer, we don’t know what happened. No one will tell us. People claim to have known this young man yet fail to tell the story.

      We do not know what angered this man to such an extent that he felt that killing his neighbor was necessary (in his mind).

      Young people provoke us all the time and because we are mature adults, we let them. How bad was this man provoked?

      What the heck happened?

  37. This “kid” was in a tagging crew with his pos brother. I think the community is better off without him. No tears shed here. I’m sick of the crappy parenting going on in the community, leaving us to clean up the mess. I just hope his pos brother and friends get the hell outta Dodge now

          • Like I said below, the damn “kid” was on probation. He was someone who victimized the community, it was known that the escalation of violence and criminal activity he, his brother and friends brought it was only a matter of time before he got hurt or someone who is really innocent got hurt, which would have been a real tragedy. So Forgive me for not shedding a tear for him. Oh and Lets not forget he was in the act of threatening violence when he was shot

    • Come on bro, take it easy. We’re still talking about a teenager not even old enough to vote. We’re not talking about some hardened criminal with two or three jail tours under his belt.

      I despise taggers, but no one deserves to die for that. This is a kid.If you are a parent, think about how you would feel if someone said the community was better off without your kid. If you are over 30, you should definitely know better than to make a comment like that. I don’t know what it is about this news site that sucks the compassion right out of people… Geesh! So depressing!!

      • The damn “kid” was on probation, he was a menace. You may find my comments insensitive but the fact remains that he was a negative force in the community. I believe most of us who have seen our community victimized by this individual and others know that it was just a matter of time before it was him or truly tragicsome one actually innocent

      • Everyone on this should be ashamed, he may have done things and been headed down the wrong path but there is always a chance for change. His family should be allowed to grieve peacefully, without this slander. I just cant believe how heartless some of these comments are. EVERYONE makes mistakes at some point. His life shouldn’t have ended at 17 no matter what was posted on facebook or anywhere else. He died and for nothing can’t you guys just be nice seriously.

    • Obviously these two idiots dont know the story but they talk so big behind a screen im sure these 2 are the type to stand in the back scared to say anything to someones face but one day they will feel a pain as such and then will they be the ones crying so go ahead and keep posting your thaughts on the net scared ones !

    • I don’t understand how you can say that our community can be better off without a 17 year old kid dead. Him being on probation has nothing to do with the fact that he can’t go on with another day. He wasn’t victimizing our community, yeah he wasn’t entirely innocent because he was on probation, but a 36 year old “MAN” with kids of his own shot him, a grown man took a poor innocent life. He was bettering himself and trying to move forward with the mistakes he made before but since he dressed the way he dressed and was on probation he’s the bad guy? That makes no sense to me what so ever. Our community wasn’t amazing before he was was on probation, either. You can’t blame ONE person for a lot of other peoples mistakes. I can’t get it through my head that you think a boy, a young boy is in the wrong here? The 36 year old “MAN” is the one who victimized our community by doing this. Imagine what his kids think of him now? But just because my poor friend looked a certain way and dressed a certain way he’s the one messing things up around here. You said yourself that in a matter of time someone innocent was going to get hurt. And you’re right Chris was the innocent one who got hurt, you’re acting like you want to defend the guy who shot him. He’s the one who victimized our community, he victimized my life, Chris’s life, his familys’ life, his girlfriends’ life, teachers lives. Chris never hurt anybody the way the man who shot him hurt everybody around me and everybody that was around Chris.

      • Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society’s “understanding “. Our compassion is a weakness our enemies will not share. Either he was innocent or he wasn’t innocent as you have stated both. Your right…I’m sure he was carrying a baseball bat because he just wanted to talk because he was so….. innocent

  39. damn bro this sucks, I remember when we where in OCD at school and you kept on making jokes and everybody would start laughing and the security would keep yelling at you lol, knowing that your not coming back really sucks, and whether you were in a gang or not there was no reason for what happened yesterday, if you look through all the gang [removed] and bull[removed], you were a good kid, who couldve had a bright future ahead of him, sucks that this happend, well. RIP bro ima miss you

      • Looking at this Facebook page one could guess that Chris was ether going to end up in jail, or dead, and sooner rather than later.

        Throwing Gang signs, pictures of smoking dope, and all at the ripe old age of 17. I feel very sad for the parent(s?) of Chris, but from his Facebook, reality was his life path was heading ether to prison or as it did. Truly a sad ending of a life.

      • Looking at his FB…..looks like he was heading down a very dark path, and thought the “thug life” was glamorous. He would’ve hurt someone in his future, I guarantee it!! Kids like this rarely straighten up….they have so many chances and more than not always find trouble and cause a path of destruction where ever they go! I’m sure once upon a time he was a sweet little boy, but at 17 he appeared to be a menace to society (in the making)..
        …his FB page exemplified his criminal mentality!

  41. IT WAZNT EVEN GANT RELATED HIZ NEIGHBOR SHOT HIM HAHAHA WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT “GANG VIOLENCE” HE WAZ A CHUMP ANYWAYS FEEL SORRY 4 HIZ MOMZ BUT HE WAS STILL A LAME ^.^

  42. I knew Chris wen he was a child and his brother they kids ppl use to talk [removed] cuz they was bad nd all but to they were kids nd kids will be kids i hvent seen them in about 5 years and i do feel relly bad and sad and no mtter wat i always loved him and his brother i know u in a better place i will never forget u love u RIP

  43. First and foremost, my deepest condolences to the family. My prayers go out to you in this time of grief.

    Palmdale was once such a nice, peaceful place to live. It’s such a shame that children and ignorant adults feel that being in a gang provides some sort of support and protection. This incident is an example of the consequences of being in a gang – death, hurt loved ones, and a feeling of unrest throughout the community.

    There is absolutely no reason that a 17 year old deserves to lose his life. I really hope that people learn from this and turn their lives around before it’s too late. We do not need any more children to die.

    God Bless.

    • I kno this kid really close choose ur words wisely and show sum respect this kid lost his life so wat if they called him trigger a name doesn’t. Define u in the gangster world its somethiing to sound macho or bad ass this kid was neither just a kidwho fell off so who the hell are u 2 pass judgement I bet you think your pretty tough running your mouth behind a computer screen don’t you but wouldn’t ever talk stupid like that face 2 face r.I.p chris

      • Whatever dude…. If your friends call you trigger your a gangster… Is it sad that he went down that road and died, yes it is. Lets not be naive and say he was so kind and never did anything wrong… I would say the same thing to your face so piss off. I am not scared of punk asses like you… Why cant you take my comment for what it was,,, sad that he died but his choices played a role… sad that nobody was there to show him a better way… Also the AV is not a community where you have to be in a gang… its a choice out here…

      • Slick and Wicked? I’ll bet. These ghetto monikers crack me up. I’m sure that Chris the ‘trigger’ was a Boy Scout coming home from the library, his homework all done, and he was jacked for his merit badges. Gimme a break.

        • Its pretty sad. How u. 2 idiots call this poor kid a thug and that he basically got was coming to him….when in realityu both are acting like the real punks have a [removed] heart assholes no matter what he was still a stupid kid making bad decisions but like I said a kid who didn’t no better …..and to ur stupid ass comment how u would say it 2 my face lol trust me asshole u wouldn’t. So for me 2 argue further would be funny!

        • U too are full it come on u idiots talk about Gang this and he was up to no good but it’s strange that because of a name u define a person. Growing up I’n east la I was called shot gun , I’m a women not once did I join a gang yeah I hung out with gangsters and like all teens I had my troubles but that was it never did I have a gun nor have I ever shot someone the name was just a name I got for playing video games . Image if some stupidperson decides to take my life u idiots would say I’m up to no good I am 29 yrs old a registered nurse and my teen years are behind and no one was there to show me either I learned everything on my own, it’s surpriseing that u people make comments like if all of u never got I’n fights when u were teens and like if u people were all innocent that’s why they Are your teen years …… I hope this man gets what he deserves because he didn’t loose anything his daughters are still with him alive he will get to see them grow it to women but chris fam will never see him again because of some stupid person that decided to cut his life short h

  44. Sad that this young man died, but choices have consequences. He was called trigger, obviously a gangster unless he was a Roy Rogers fan. All the “homies” posting rip should stfu and get your sorry asses to school…

    • Since the alleged shooter, Mr. Flores, was 36, I would guess he had a daughter, etc., etc. You fill in the blanks.

  47. hey rosemary dont let this thing put u down trigger and u were close he is in a good place now ima go to the skool tomoorw and we will talk this out dnt do anything dumb just chill trigger was my homeboy to i love that foo and just yesterday we were talkin bout u he loves u like a lil sis stay up

    • Jasper, 1st my condolences on the loss of your friend, 2nd, you have given good advice to Rosemary, emotions can make a person do dumb things. You seem like a sensible young man. Stay that way.

  48. R.i.p Chris sorry that it went down this way. He was a good kid with a big heart for his friends and family.

  49. WELL IT BEEN PRETTY HARD TO FIND THE RIGHT WORDS TO SAY SITTING AT THIS SCREEN LIKE WHAT DO I SAY, LIKE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSE ARE SAY SOME [removed] LIKE ARE IT WILL GET EASYER THE FACT IS IT WONT GET EASYER THE PAIN OF A LOVE ONE LOST IS A PAIN THAT WILL STAY WITH U FOREVER BUT U HAVE TO LERN TO COOP WIT IT U GUYS MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YALL R.I.P LITTLE HOMIE SAVE ME A SPOT UP THERE ON SOME SUCKA FREE TYPE [removed] LOL PEACE

  50. First let me say R.I.P. Chris. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and loved ones. No child deserves this, however Vanessa has a point. I hate to see these misguided kids end up in a lifestyle that has one of two end results…prison or dead. Something avoidable led up to this and my guess is that the neighbor said something to them or called the cops and things escalated. Although nobody likes a snitch, if your causing trouble in a quiet neighborhood, what do you expect. I just hope that Chris will watch over his family and homies as an angel and help them all to think about life and honor him by doing big things…making changes.

    • i know chris we call him trigger and its sad that all this happn to him and somebody going to pay to what happen to him… i just wisj r.i.p mean return immediaty please….. but now he is in a better place

  51. Maybe its just me, but the majority of you voicing support for this guy write/speak like you haven’t yet graduated from 4th grade. I suggest you leave the gangsta life behind and re-enroll in school. It’s a shame a youngster died, but it sounds like he was more of a criminal than a youngster.

    • my daughter came home and floored me with this new..HOWEVER i knew the situation before she did and from what i understand he was a nonproductive
      member of society.I FEEL BAD for the the shooters family. they are now without a father,a supporter,a decent man who FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, was just protecting his family.To me some people on this website make me chuckle simply because you are mostly unaware of your American rights.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT IT COST. IMO. I would have done the same thing.

      • @gball that’s cool what u said! He was a good man. Suck what had to happen but [removed] is what it is. u run your mouth and constantly cause pain to the other family. a person can only So much [removed]. Now look at his ass he’s 6 feet under because a man protected his family…

  52. Rest In Peace To My Big Homie Chris Bro I Love Nd Miss You
    To All Those [removed] Talkers He Might Be Gone But Me Nd His Brother Are Still Alive And I Can Still Make Your Lives Hell

  53. I can’t ever understand how a person can so sencesly take another’s life but then again he was a cholo or a gangster, I mean what did he think was gonna happen when he joined a gang and then hung around the wrong people. my heart goes out to his girlfriend and his family. nobody should ever lose their life this young and nobody should ever have to lose someone to something this stupid!! These teenagers need to wake up and realize that the gangster life isnt gonna get them anywhere but the morgue. They need to be men and not [removed] idiots!! Life is no joke kids and this poor guy had to learn the hard way…/:

    • I am a mother in Palmdale. I was at my desk last night and heard the noises like gunshots and a ton on sirens in my area. I thought I was in L.A. I found out at work from ABC News that someone’s son was murdered two blocks from my home. I as deeply sadden. I called home to tell my mom and son. My son said that I spoke to this kid on Sunday. I have been sad all day. He was a good kid. He had a good heart. Yes, he was invovled in things that most kids should be into and I had problems with my boys and still do. But the most important is to remember is that we have to pray for our young people. There is not activities in the area to let them be entertained or to provide ways for a better education. Our schools give them tickets to go to court and juvenile hall on the drop of a dime. It is our community! We need to save our children!

      • I meant to say things that most kids shouldn’t be into but find themselves in an environment and culture that manifest that attitude of being affiliate with like a gang, a club, etc. Everyone wants to be part of something and many of our youths are looking towards each other instead of the wisdom and knowledge of their parents and educators. My dream is to create a venue where these kids can express themselves in a non-violent manner. Join me in honoring Chris’ life by praying for our youths which is our future.

        • Lonnie you’re right we need some kind of activities for our children. Working together is the only way to have someone hear our needs we need to speak up for our community… I also knew Chris n know his fam n yes he was a sweet boy with a great heart.

  54. Rest In Peace Chris. Just another young life lost to unnecessary violence. Have fun up there Chris we’ll be missing you.

    • yes very unesseary violence!! come on people you need to get your head outta your asses and realize that all this gang [removed] is worthless and just a waste of time!! had this kid stayed on the right track he couldve been someone who changed the world for the better!! i cant even begin to stress how dam stupid these gangs are!! nothing but poor kids losing their lives or ending up in jail!! be serious what is god gonna say when you come face to facd with him?! oh welcome to heaven you been a gangster and hurt people especially your mother so come on in. NOOO get your lives together people. I really badly hope and pray this kid made it and that his family makes it through this [removed] hell hole their in because of whoever took their son brother boyfriend.

  55. It’s always terrible when a child dies.

    I can’t believe the number of ignorant comments on here. Actually I can, just shows what the world has become. I am not going to disrespect the family nor lower myself to your level by even acknowledging you or your comments. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

  56. Thank you guys that have put nice comments toward brother thank you for the love my family is devistated for the loss but I know one day I will see him again R.I.P my big bro

    • there is nothing we can say to ease your pain or bring him back but I know how it feels to lose someone and the best thing I can say is to just cry. Youve been hurt and you need to let it all out. There is no good side to any of this but now your brother wont have to suffer another day in his life.

  58. I’m appalled at the lack of respect shown here for the loss of life. Regardless of your personal feelings towards the youth, a young man has lost his life, a mother her son & a family is grieving. If you’ve nothing nice to say… Say nothing at all. My condolences to the family.

    • It is heartbreaking for his family! Had he REALLY cared about his family tho, he would have done more with his teenage years than smoke blunts and having a Probation Officer at 17!!!! Smh

  59. RIP CHRIS YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LOVED. AND I’M SORRY TO THE FAMILY . [removed] The HATTERS .I wipe my [removed] with you little want to b

  60. All the ones talking [removed] are still little kids that dont even know how to wipe their own [removed]..let alone fight..I laugh when i see you kids walking around thinking your hard..But i know when [removed] hits the fan you all run and hide.Why dont you Work and Finish School instead?? I Guess its hard to get a job when you sound like an idiot let alone look like one..you kids are no better than those Piece Of [removed]

  61. WOW! Are you [removed] serious right now! A kid is dead and you stupid thugs think it’s cute to post stupid [removed]! And yes I called you a thug because that’s what you are! A real gangster does not disrespect the dead or there family! You know you little thugs always seem to think that this kind of thing can never happen you! A mother is morning the loss of her child a brother/sister is morning the loss of there brother.. and yet you choose to come on here and talk crap! He might have not been perfect! I don’t know him.. But I will choose not to judge him all I can say is Rest In Peace Chris. I pray your soul finds the peace it was searching for. My condolences to your family… and for all you lil thugs out there! STFU!!

  62. [removed] you PEOPLE THAT THINK A KID SHOULD DIED I BET U WON’T SAY THAT IN FRONT OF HIS FAMILY SO STAY ON THE COMPUTER

  63. [removed] THAT LAME TRIGGER.K HOODBUMS.K HE WAS A NOTHIN BUT A [removed] TALKER AND THATS WHAT HE GETS 4 RUNNING HIS MOUTH R.I.S REST IN [removed]

    • WOW…THATS REAL MATURE, i bet you feel all big and mighty dont you? talking [removed] from behind a screen. nobody deserves to die, not even a 17 year old. you think you bang all hard with your so called “vatos”. what are you doing with your life? your a [removed] loser, your a scum, thats why people like you talk [removed] from behind a screen, and people like you dont have the balls to come say it to the kids family. your just another [removed] loser idiot. show some [removed] respect. im running my mouth now! are you going to kill me? this kid was just a kid. quit playing the immature game and grow up

    • Sad that you talk about a Dead Boy this way. He was a person, a son and Brother. I hope you straightn your life up and become somebody, sounds like you are headed in the same direction.

      • That’s a really cold thing to say… Even if he did make threats, he was 17 years old! If he was so dangerous that he needed to be killed, then why was it not left up to law enforcement to deal with this kid? Instead, someone took it upon themselves to end his life.

      • everyone who is talking [removed] about the kid should really [removed] slap them selves. you shoulda said what you had to say to him when he was alive not dead. those are just cowards behind a screen. r.i.p chris, ill always have your back.

      • Easy to talk alot of [removed] on the net lame show some respect cuz im sure the fool who caps your [removed] will be [removed] on your body straight net banger what a joke !