2 more AV rave parties shut down

(Courtesy LASD)

(Courtesy LASD)

LANCASTER – Law enforcement is continuing to crack down on illegal “rave” parties in the Antelope Valley. Lancaster and Palmdale Sheriff’s Station deputies recently ended two more illegal parties, one before it even started, authorities said.

Last week, an Antelope Valley rave party, promoted as a “lock down” event inside an industrial warehouse, was found on the Internet by the sheriff department’s eComm Unit.

The event was planned for Friday, Aug. 23. However, law enforcement contacted both the warehouse owner and the promoter of the event, and the event was cancelled before it started, according to Lt. Larry Gregg of the Antelope Valley Crime Fighting Initiatives.

On Aug. 17, a sheriff’s helicopter was used to locate another rave party in the extreme northwest area of Lancaster Station’s patrol area.

“The area of this party was nearly in Kern County, and the 5 freeway was only a few miles away,” said Sgt. Kevin Pearcy. “The music could be heard from nearly five miles away.”

Two undercover deputies entered the party and then provided intelligence back to responding units, according to Gregg.

“Inside the party, the undercover deputies saw what they thought to be illegal drug sales by a suspect,” Gregg said. “That person eventually fled into the desert as radio cars approached, but it does show what occurs at these parties.”

About 200 people were at the party when more than a dozen deputies arrived, but more than 800 people had responded via social media that they would be attending, Gregg stated. Closed down early at 11 p.m., the Rave was expected to continue to grow in size if left unchecked, Gregg said.

Four partygoers were cited and released at the scene on various misdemeanor charges. The property owner was warned about large unpermitted parties and advised about potential civil litigation if someone was hurt on his property.

”The problem is the mob mentality that seems to take place after these folks ingest enough alcohol and drugs,” Gregg said. “I have seen bonfires, tremendous amounts of nitrous oxide, methamphetamine, molly and bath salts being used by these young adults.”

Gregg said the name of the Aug. 17 party refers to a type of drug, which projects the intention of the rave to use drugs.

The promoters of that rave party are known, and Gregg said an investigation is continuing to determine what, if any, criminal charges can be filed against them.

“These promoters are soliciting money for illegal, unpermitted events,” he said. “They are allowing illegal use of property and drugs at these events and keep their ticket sales whether the rave goes on as planned or is shut down.”

The sheriff’s department will continue to use innovative methods to prevent these types of criminal and dangerous events, officials said.

Captain Pat Nelson of Lancaster Sheriff’s Station said, “Sometimes law enforcement needs to protect people from themselves. These two events were promoted using the name of a drug and the other as a ‘Lock In’. Both have either connotations of illegal activity or are illegal based on the manner in which they are promoted. You cannot lock the doors to these events. You are asking for disasters of epic proportions such as a fatal fire. These events, because of what they bring with them – illegal drug use and underage drinking – will not be permitted in the City of Lancaster or in the County areas. Without permits, these events cannot be held legally.”

During the past year, the sheriff’s eComm Unit has found over 1,000 illegal drug/nozz/alcohol for minors rave parties openly advertised on social media. The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Station or area policing agency is then notified so that violence, overdoses, and driving under the influence collisions can be prevented.

Previous related story: AV desert raves shut down by authorities, several arrested

  129 comments for “2 more AV rave parties shut down

  1. Max
    August 29, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    It’s not the police’s fault. They just don’t want terrible [removed] hyphy electro/dubstep in the desert. THE AV was made for legit house music.

    • A Fan Of EDM
      August 29, 2013 at 6:23 pm

      Nobody is, or at least should be arguing in favor of the desert rave, but the attempted to be legal indoor event at a concert venue with an 18+ age limit being grouped into the same category with a huge illegal underground desert rave is unjust and unfair to the person who conducted the event and the damage to their reputation that may incur due to this. Someone tried and the cit said they couldn’t do it, there is no reason for someone who complied with the law to be advertised as a criminal.

  2. August 29, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Good job Lancaster Sherriff Station,You are saving teens lives by doing these shut downs, ,and all you need is one bad apple to go into one of these partys,and either,have a gun,or either sale some bad stuff to a teen,Keep up the good work La County Sherriff,to keep our teens safe

  3. Gay AntiChrist
    August 28, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Wow…So it all comes down to who is in charge who is allowed and who is not. Well, Hit the books, pump up the network and write a proposal. Legalize the use of substance,take in account all the hidden funds. Prepare and have available more substance abuse clinics and education . Use all the underground funds…(I don’t think I can write enough zeros) and provide higher national security. I know we are just starting but were getting their…Ah technology…don’t just turn your cheek the other way…no one can hide…privacy…its over…its time for the real eye on the dollar!

  4. carla
    August 28, 2013 at 11:38 am

    should put everyone in jail that has partys and booze and drugs, and parents are promoting this [removed] and parents needs to go to jail also along with the kids to teach them a lesson.and maybe it will put an end to the raves cause kids get hurt and or they die and everyone is the blame and the parents are the blame no one else is the blame but the parents. so i hope they keep busting the raves. they are just problemsand need to be busted..so i’m for the cops, so go for it LASD….

    • unknown
      August 28, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      Yeah, because it’s not a constitutional right to gather on public land or anything, and one of these parties occurred on PRIVATE PROPERTY. The police had the right to tell them to turn it down, not come in and bust the place, what kind of country are we living in where the police can come onto your private property and shut down an event just because of the stigma attached to it. I’m not advocating drug and alcohol sales to minors, but that’s a different matter. Can they start sending undercovers to your house when you throw house parties and kicking everyone out? No, they have to warn you first and ask you to turn it down or inform you of the reasoning behind the complaint of a disturbance. This is complete BS, believe me when I say we’ll be fighting for our rights legally with protests very soon. If you’re on public land, use it at your own risk and expect legal action to be taken, Private Property is a completely different matter and it shouldn’t be so easy to shut it down because drug use is assumed. I have been in the scene for years and I’ve known plenty who took drugs at every party, and plenty that went for the music and the sense of community that exists at these parties. EDM is a lifestyle, and while it makes sense that the authorities would be fundamentally against these events in general, it does not give them the right to ban them. Even if drugs were not apparent at these parties, and security was there kicking people out for trying to bring NOS tanks or sell drugs, the police still would have shut it down. It’s ridiculous for this to be such a big deal now, when the AV has been home to thousands of raves over the years… why the fuss now?

      • Iveseenitall
        August 28, 2013 at 8:05 pm

        Ya know, you shouldn’t whine when you obviously don’t know what your talking. The police have every right to come into your home (private property) when ANY crime is being commited. Lets see, no permit for party, illegal alcohol sales (no ABC license), charging admission ( no tax permit), sales of food/ soda ( no resale license), minors with no parental supervision (curfew), booming music (disturb the peace/ no music permit).

        Now lets talk about the illegal stuff… Sales of every narcotic, minor comsuming alcohol, inhaling substances ( paint- nitrous-glue), date rape drug is a biggie, gangsters with guns & knives, and the list goes on.

        As for police entering your home, if the believe a crime in progress is occurring, the have every right to enter to stop the crime and enforce the law. Now that they have a LEGAL right to be there, anything visible is fair game as well.

        Learn the law before you preach!!!

        • Rooney
          August 29, 2013 at 8:08 am

          Thank you for trying to wise up people. You are correct, absolutely. My 17 yr. old cousin was a mental mess for a long time from one of these parties. Thank God he survived. Good going LASD!

          • Huey
            September 7, 2013 at 5:48 am

            Wrong all the way dude!!!

        • kidd scott
          August 29, 2013 at 9:59 am

          The police don’t have right to be in your home unless they have a warrant. Unless someone that lives there called them/let them in. You would literally have to have fresh blood on you for them to have enough probable cause to just push into your house. Thats absurd to think they could just walk into your house at any time just under suspension of a crime….They can’t just suspect a crime is happening in your house to go in, basically they have to know and back up there suspension with viable evidence. Probable cause is a grey area/excuse to harass sometimes……

          • Kidd Scott
            August 29, 2013 at 11:05 am

            And gansters with guns and knifes really. I’ve done work on and thrown every genera of event besides rap and hip hop. EDM scene has the least amount of thug types as any type of large concert type events. Your terribly misinformed just ask any versed police officer or security that has worked multiple events.

          • soapbox journal
            August 29, 2013 at 4:39 pm

            Suspicion and suspension are two different words. Learn English before you try to appear smart, it only comes out as ignorant.

          • kidd scott
            August 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm

            Autospell on my phone some people can’t sit on a computer trolling all day, But thanks I am actually pretty intelligent.

    • kidd scott
      August 29, 2013 at 10:21 am

      Yep put everyone in a crowded jail system for petty crimes, Brilliant solution. Might as well make concentration camps lol i’ve seen these events out here 10+ years never seeing someone get seriously injured or overdosing. All false claims and scare tactics/Propaganda to make you believe a certain way. Not saying all events should be unmonitored and allow to just do whatever, That would be retarded….The need to get permits are in place for good reason. But when made unattainable I don’t know why people are surprised people still try to do smaller events trying to build enough to go on to legitimate venues. Especially when on private property…with running water, and toilets/porto potties, Security/EMT’s and undercovers present….These guys don’t want something bad to happen, if it does it’s on them.

  5. August 28, 2013 at 9:18 am

    hmmm, discrimination at it’s finest! they must protect us from ourselves. that’s why they have blocked off most of the forest and offroad areas to us all, and are now charging us tax payers to use most public land. “they” are stopping us from congregating in numbers to just have some fun, and we are seen as a threat to authority in such numbers. perfect example..the sheriffs raided us 4 wheelers at the dam by vehicle and helicopter, on a day when it was open and no problems were going on…as a taxpayer, we paid for this helicopter raid on ourselves. and how much did that cost us?
    see my video of the raid at:www.crazydonna.com
    watch “them” protect us from ourselves!

    • Letlow
      August 28, 2013 at 10:26 am

      I got through the first minute of your video of the raid. I heard people laughing, jeering and mocking the officer who tried to relay the rules. This is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashamed at this level of disrespect for authority. People in my community have been shot for a whole lot less. You people are entitled brats!

    • someguy
      August 28, 2013 at 11:20 am

      That video only taught me that some people should NOT be police officers. If you are too FAT and MEEK and SCARED.. to be a cop.. you should have picked a different career choice.

    • AVGirl
      August 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      Not all forms of discrimination are illegal.

  6. August 28, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I am not against people having fun and getting together but when it comes to a party not being safe due to people getting hurt, raped, fights, death , drugs, not restrooms, and not being able to get help then that concerns me very much. I am thankful for the officers whoi find these parties and take appropiate action. These parties need to be stopped.

    • Kidd Scott
      August 28, 2013 at 9:38 am

      No rape’s,Deaths, Hospitalizations, Overdoses, or anything beyond some small fights have ever been at ANY type of these events in the desert….(not a statement that could be made about our clubs bars and own city fair)And if they can bust it in five minutes flat im sure if anyone did “need help” They would be able to handle….And have you ever been camping? Pee in a bush lol You have been lied to and programmed, Is it even possible in your mind that you have been misled to believe an untruth???

  7. sick&tired
    August 28, 2013 at 6:48 am

    I am totally willing to admit that I don’t know nearly enough about these rave parties. That being said, my only questions are, when and where has it become legal for minors to be at a club or bar where alcohol is being served and this place is not a restruant, and isn’t there a curfew still in affect for minors under a certain age?

    • A Fan Of EDM
      August 29, 2013 at 6:29 pm

      The venue had two stages, 1 mainstage which is accessable to everyone, but for the record, lock in, was “18+” and STILL anyone under 21 could not get a wristband, to get into the 2nd stage bar room, which only sold beer, and bar was in the back of the room where you had to show id to get a band, get through a door with the band and order your beer and drink it without leaving the room.

      But you are correct, when did it become legal for minors even preteens to run around freely in a place that sells alcohol, such as the AV FAIR. Which runs later than 10pm with minors as well.

      Most arguments made AGAINST the lock in event, can be made against the AV Fair, only accusations towards the fair would be much worse because everything they do is beyond what everyone considers to be broken rules or laws with the legal lock in event.

  8. free
    August 28, 2013 at 12:43 am

    raves are held i the antelope valley and in san berdo for one reason. its not a very fancy place so lots of cheap venues and open land exist.. the overbuilt la basin precludes low budget shows from taking place. million dollar nightclubs aboud. the government gets a piece of the action. in most cases where an av rave takes place, the gov does not.. add bottle service and suddenly the Gov finds edm events legit. this is all that matters. not the many good points made by pro edm commenters. the Gov takes money from the Fed’s to shut down raves yet rents city and county facility’s to promoters all the time. total hypocrisy. kids in the av and young promoters just dont have investor backing to put big events on so again they find cheap places to do smaller events. We are dead inside as a society, money is all that matters. Now 1,000 kids roam the streets getting high instead of a politically incorrect event taking place.where at least the people are safely off the streets. But it makes us feel good and it looks good to say we must protect our youth.. We cant stop these events. but we can make them more dangerous by making them more sketchy and dangerous. making people hold them in more risky places. It’s an age old battle where no one wins. the taxpayer loses. and society tries to parent too little and too late to make up for the poor job parents did or the ills society has passed on in its values to our kids..

  9. CST
    August 27, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    If you hate California, why stay? If you hate rules, that’s pretty tough. If you have a thing against cops I would suspect that you are a trouble-maker…leave CA while the gettin’ is good.

    • A Fan Of EDM
      August 28, 2013 at 12:06 am

      trying to work with police and then grouped together with others who conducted an event in an entirely different manner is not a problem with cops, its discrimination. Who would like to look bad for trying to follow the rules, for trying to do it the right way? Notice nobody is complaining about the desert rave, because it was illegal, there is nothing to be said, nobody is arguing against that, its the way someone was trying to work with the city to make an event work within compliance with the law and were still made out to be criminals.

      • AVGirl
        August 28, 2013 at 8:28 am

        Not all discrimination is illegal. Only certain acts or groups of people are protected under the law.

        A better might be that the actions were bias.

    • soapbox journal
      August 28, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      You don’t like the rules and regulations then go to Syria or another country where you are not even allowed to have life, let alone any rights, there is no food, no clean water. no sanitation, this is what you are looking for in the AV open spaces. So leave, take the place of our military personnel who want to be here at home with their families. You change places with them.

      • A Fan Of EDM
        August 29, 2013 at 6:31 pm

        nobody is arguing for the desert rave, only for the attempted legal event that was grouped in as being conducted in the same manner when it wasnt.

        and im sure there is food in syria, or the entire country would have starved to death by now, you need SOME food to survive. duh.

  10. someguy
    August 27, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    welcome to Russia..err… California I mean. A place where police have the authority to do whatever they want, simply because some high-ranking cop sitting behind a desk at the Sheriff’s Station decides to.

    This is why I hate California. In other states peoples rights are way more respected. The right of an American Citizen to assemble and have a good time is not so lightly taken away because of what “might” happen.

    In other states cops don’t have an attitude of “OMG WE GOTTA PUT A STOP TO THAT!!” every time people want to have a good time.

    And if you don’t care and agree with the cops, then just wait until they go after a freedom you DO care about.

    Ya know, we have the technology to put a computer in all new cars that would only allow the car to start if it verifies that the driver has a valid licence… great idea right? Or would that be a bit too much government in our lives? Which is what I think is the case here.

    • AVGirl
      August 28, 2013 at 8:42 am

      The simple fact that the one rave was illegal. If it was on private land, it was probably without consent of the owner. At the very least that could be trespassing.

      What people don’t get is that the right to assemble is not a blank permission to do what you want when you want.

      That being said, it does seem like a waste of resources on something that probably should be a low priority.

      • DJ LithiYum
        August 28, 2013 at 10:54 am

        “Four partygoers were cited and released at the scene on various misdemeanor charges. The property owner was warned about large unpermitted parties and advised about potential civil litigation if someone was hurt on his property.”

        Quoted from the article showing that the owner of the property was warned for allowing a private event to happen on his/her property.

        • AVGirl
          August 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Except that the writing was poorly done with regards to which party they were talking about. The property owner for the one in the desert was not contacted I am sure as it would take some research to discover who it was and find contact information.

    • soapbox journal
      August 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      bull**** There are rules and regulations for everyone, You don’t like it find another country to live in, we don’t want you here. Disrespectful trash.

  11. DJ LithiYum
    August 27, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    I was one of the DJ’s booked for the event “Lock-In” mentioned in this article. I have played at several events hosted by the same promoter as this event and have never personally witnessed any violence or illegal activity at these shows.

    False statement #1 “Last week, an Antelope Valley rave party, promoted as a “lock down” event inside an industrial warehouse”

    First of all there was a statement made publically by the promoter when asked that they were not planning on physicaaly locking the attendee’s in. That the party goers would be free to leave as they pleased however there would be no in’s and out’s permitted after a certain time.
    False statement #2 “”The problem is the mob mentality that seems to take place after these folks ingest enough alcohol and drugs,” Gregg said. “I have seen bonfires, tremendous amounts of nitrous oxide, methamphetamine, molly and bath salts being used by these young adults.”

    Mob mentality? I have never scene raver’s mob in my life. I have seen peaceful assemblies but never a mob. As for the accussation that he has personally witnessed the use of tremendous amounts of methamphetine and bath salts that is another outrageous and untruthful statement. I can not say that there is no drug usage involved with rave type events, however how many music superstars that our children look up to have died from overdoses of illegal substances. Drug usage happens in all cultures, in legal and illegal venues and events. It’s a nationwide problem not restricted to electronic dance music.

    False statement #3 ““These promoters are soliciting money for illegal, unpermitted events,” he said. “They are allowing illegal use of property and drugs at these events”

    This is generalizing and putting both promoters in the same category as hosting an illegal event. There was no use of illegal property for Lock In and proper measure are always taken by security to prevent illegal drug use.

    Also on another note. If these parties and events are soooo dangerous why has there been a number of instances where police presence has been made at the same type of events listed and no arrests made, nor were the parties shut down until the media made the Sheriff’s Dept look bad. Now suddenly what we are doing is dangerous and we need to be saved from ourselves. Am I not the only one who sees a problem in this?

  12. A Fan Of EDM
    August 27, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    In a quote from a police officer regarding the attendance of those at these events.

    “Most of the people at the rave were from areas well away from the Antelope Valley,” said Sergeant Pearcy.

    While this was pertaining to an illegal rave party, it goes to show that people travel to attend these type of events. The venue used for the lock in event (or that was supposed to anyways) has been used in the pst for several events ending at a regular time as any bar would, these events saw hundreds of people, many from out of town. To attempt to do so in a legal manner, the person and venue attempting to conduct such an event under legal boundaries would generate revenue for the antelope valley and bringing commerce here. At the very least, gas stations see spikes in their sales during the days and nights and days following these events. Restaurants would see spikes in sales the morning following events. These events are no different than any other except for the “stereo types” that go with them. There are band shows all the time throughout the av and underage smoking is illegal but 80% of the kids at those events are smoking all over the av, venues that have been closed due to violent crimes have been primarily or entirely hiphop events. This EDM crowd is shunned while the hiphop crowd is welcomed though with shutting down venues those events are quite literally bringing down the local economy while EDM is a growing genre of music taking over the entire world and the economical impact of edm is growing rapidly as well while many others are seeing some sort of decline (though obviously other genres are seeing econimic growth as well, edm is one of the fastest growing in the world right now).

    There is far more effort put into the stop and prevention of events that have caused the least amount of economic damage and violent crimes in our community. The AV Fair alone sees so many violent crimes, I have never been to the fair without seeing a multi person fight, often damn nearly a riot with groups of up to 100 people sent into a craze, usually disbanding before any sort of authority can even intervene what so ever. I would label the AV fair far more dangerous as it has an actual history of violent crimes, public intoxication and I have seen hundreds of minors drinking there because there is NO MONITORING WHAT SO EVER of alcohol consumption in that venue.

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 10:32 pm

      I have to agree regarding the AV Fair. I won’t even attend because of all the fights going on. My co-worker was there recently and her little boy was knocked over by 2 drunk men fighting. It took the police a long time to reach them, by that time, the men had fled.

      I haven’t been there in awhile but if they haven’t already done it, they should consider using horses for crowd control. Gives the officers a better vantage point plus they can quickly move through a crown.

      • soapbox journal
        August 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm

        Oh Yeah I can see the press if a child gets stepped on by a horse.

        • Kidd Scott
          August 28, 2013 at 3:41 pm

          They had horses at the fair this year.

          • soapbox journal
            August 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm

            I did not see any horses, beyond the ponies my grandchildren rode at the fair on Friday night. I saw security guards, Sheriffs deputy’s, and Fair personnel. I did not see any fights, any one drunk and we left at 11pm.

          • Kidd Scott
            August 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm

            I was out front every day working with a promo team flyering, I seen a large fight break out….And two girls fight. And a Sheriff on a horse a couple days….

          • A Fan Of EDM
            August 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm

            Yeah i saw the horses too when they were arresting a crazy guy outside moments after the huge brawl broke out that nobody was around to stop. The guy apparantly punched one of the horses, which the horses are police officers to, so add assaulting police officers into the equation of illegal activity the fair draws, thats not too far off from a riot ensuing.

            The fair is full of ravers anyways (such as the annual raver day at the av fair), its just not encouraged by the fair, its planned by ravers for ravers. I guess everything you could worry about raves, you can worry about at the fair plus so much more because ravers go to the fair, I see hundreds of ravers any day i go to the fair, we are part of this community, a big part and growing. Opressing us will not stop us, negative attitudes towards will not make us go away, i know you might be scared mister soap box, but whether you like it or not, in time, every club is going tobe playing edm, everyone will be having edm nights, in time a major edm venue will come here and this will be an edm community much more than now. We are the future.

          • soapbox journal
            August 29, 2013 at 11:07 pm

            I happen to be a woman. I was not addressing the abilities of the mounted officers, I was addressing the unpredictability of children. The officers and horses are highly trained.

        • AVGirl
          August 28, 2013 at 6:39 pm

          If the mounted officers know what they are doing, using horses is very safe. It is done on many metropolitan areas across the country.

          Even bikes would be better then on foot really.

  13. A Fan Of EDM
    August 27, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Great work guys, you found a public event (lock in) on facebook that was not trying to hide and then you brag about shutting down the indoor theater event that was TRYING to work within your laws legally. Pat yourselves on the back!…

    To speak of mob mentality and then relish in the fact of shutting down an event by claiming a law would be broken that would never be broken, simply because you don’t understand the “old fashion” concept of the “lock in” event what so ever?

    When its not about the law but just about proving you have the power to do, say or lie about whatever you want without regard for facts, evidence or legitimacy, it makes this feel like the people rights are being violated. Is it just discrimination because of the type of music? These type of actions, abuse of power, is what cause mobs to rise against, not getting together peacefully and legally to enjoy musical performances.

    There is no reason to make such reports with unfounded accusations other than to slander a specific group of people who listen to a certain type of music.

    I guess there’s no point in people to even try doing anything LEGALLY if they are still portrayed in a negative light for TRYING to follow the law. This is what forces people to stay “underground” and “hidden” where it is more dangerous and more illegal if someone were to try to do things safe and legitimately they get put into the news and lied about to the public anyways!

    This is wrong, people should be allowed to pursue conducting legal events regardless of what type of music they enjoy! Is it legal to discriminate and slander/lie about an event in this manner damaging an innocent persons reputation with unfounded information?

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm

      “Is it legal to discriminate and slander/lie about an event in this manner damaging an innocent persons reputation with unfounded information?”

      This should be addressed to the editor of this site. Since it is written, it would libel BTW :)

      I would suggest that the promoter of this event, submit an article telling the truth behind it.

      Honestly I don’t get the whole rave thing, I admit it. But for the writers to put both events in the same category then provide misinformation is simply wrong.

      • Letlow
        August 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm

        What innocent person? What reputation? How can you malign an event or person when neither is mentioned in the story? LOL! Armchair lawyer! Now someone in the comments is saying the venue was the industry theater. Is this the same industry theater where four people got shot this year?

        LMAO!! I think the reputation of this venue is already damaged. You people kill me trying to justify your law breaking. And then have the nerve to talk throw “discrimination” into it? SMH! Fight for your right to party! But pulling the discrimination card is a slap in the face to those who have really suffered discrimination.

        • DJ LithiYum
          August 27, 2013 at 10:23 pm

          “These two events were promoted using the name of a drug and the other as a ‘Lock In’”

          Quoted from the article. I believe that qualifies as being mentioned in the story.

        • AVGirl
          August 27, 2013 at 10:28 pm

          I think your reading comprehension is a bit low. I was quoting the previous poster, hence the quotation marks. I was merely providing the correct legal term.

          If you read any of my previous posts, you would realize I am against raves and was not defending them. One of the events was not a rave however, it was a legal event.

        • Kidd Scott
          August 27, 2013 at 10:35 pm

          Anyone who lives out here and listens to any type of electronic or club music knows of the Lock In, Me and my events, And the fact we were having issues at the Industry theater. It’s discriminating against me and an entire scene and type of music. You think it doesnt affect my promoters reputation and event attendance that the hillbilly extreme right wing local news is writing lies about me??? The Industry Theater did have a Hip Hop event there that had a shooting…no one was injured look up the article its on here lol How about the fact that The purple martini,Lace,Bamboo, EL DORADO, Ten West, Schooners and every other club has had the same issues? Or how about BEX? Noone says anything about the shooting/fatality there or the stabbing HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Never had any violence issues at any of my events. Why every club out here trys to book us.

          • A Fan Of EDM
            August 27, 2013 at 11:25 pm

            “trying to justify your lawbreaking”

            i think you missed the point that the event was being held with a huge attempt to work WITHIN the boundaries of the law. When notified the event could not run the way intended, the promoter willingly went to the city to find out how he could run the event legally only to later be made out as some kind of criminal.

            If you hosted a LEGAL club night, and the police come and tell you that you can’t murder anyone, should they publicized that they investigated your event to prevent murders posting the date and venue info giving out info that makes it obvious it was your event and that they stopped murders from happening, to make it out like you are a murderer who was stopped? To give you the reputation of a murderer who didn’t get to murder anyone?

            Now replace murderer with edm promoter and replace stopped with shut down, and you have the story publicized above.

          • Citizen of Lancaster
            August 28, 2013 at 5:02 am

            @Kid Scott
            “The Industry Theater did have a Hip Hop event there that had a shooting…no one was injured look up the article its on here”

            WRONG! I did look it up.

            “Four adult males, ages 18, 22, 27 and 37, were injured by gun fire”



            “During the melee, three people from Lancaster (ages 26, 29 and 37) and a 22-year-old person from Victorville were shot”


          • Kidd Scott
            August 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm

            News to me, still what about The purple martini,Lace,Bamboo, EL DORADO, Ten West, Schooners and every other club has had the same issues? Or how about BEX?? All has had shootings in there parking lots. And what the hell does that have to do with EDM in venues out here? All of that was from the AV hip hop scene. Seen one club after another shut down from incidents in there parking lots. Has nothing to do with this….If anything you would think an alternate form of nightlife should be available where you would not have to worry about the risk of violence. Would be the one bar/club that was violence free in the AV thats for sure

  14. dumbandblind
    August 27, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Woodstock then Raves now. What’s the difference?

  15. Leo
    August 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    wow you cant get away with anything in the AV. theres no culture out here for the youth. it should be respected that these promoters are trying to bring something new and innovative to the antelope valley with the best intentions but anything that goes outside of the norm or outside of uptight society is looked at as mischief. how fucking boring. maybe if ppl out here were smart enough the would realize that theres a gold mine out here and many opportunities to bring lots of revenue to the AV. but instead of trying to expand they limit everyone to classic rock cover band concerts and boring fairs.

    • TwistedSwede
      August 28, 2013 at 4:10 pm

      Leo, just because you don’t care for a particular activity doesn’t mean that they are boring.

      In my experience nothing in this life is truly boring, except the people who cannon find wonder in the world around them.

      There’s plenty of culture out here for the youth. Your inability to find it is your problem, not ours.

      New and innovative is not always good. I, for one, do not care for the over stimulated raver culture. I applaud the police for keeping this riffraff out of my desert.

      • Kidd scott
        August 29, 2013 at 10:47 am

        How would you know what culture is out here for youth? How old are you 40? Wake up there isn’t to much to do out here anyone who says otherwise is delusional . And pay attention, this riff raff has been in “Your desert” for 10+ years and not bothered you. And you arn’t talking about the smaller percentage of addicts and sexual deviants by ratio then going to the grocery store out here.Your talking about your Vets, Nurses, EMTS, Active military (Trying to relax on leave and meet females) Quite a few Undercovers, and people from nearly every other profession and walk of life.

        • A Fan Of EDM
          August 29, 2013 at 6:50 pm

          Theres plenty of riff raff out here, this guy has to read the newspaper im sure, all the shootings and stabbings and S*** that happens out here like any other community, is not the ravers, we have better stuff to do with our time than cause problems or endulge in gang activity.

          By the way, I have been to probably 300 AV Desert Raves and EDM house parties. I’ve never seen someone shot, raped, overdosed, died due to the events or anything of the sort. I have been to a much much much lower number of hiphop clubs here to see fights, women getting hit by men, girls getting roofied, gangs congregating, guns and so much other crap. I have seen a lot of hiphop house parties with HUGE fights with dozens o people involved, seen so many guns pulled on people.

          The riff raff you are worried about lives in your neighborhood peacefully the riff raff you SHOULD be worried about is why you have seen police in your streets dealing with crimes.

  16. August 27, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    I can’t even begin to fathom the irresponsibility of the law enforcement by shutting down these parties.

    Sure, you put a halt to an illegal party, kudos. Unfortunately this is a terrible double edged sword. The focus point on these outdoor events compared to other parties (such as warehouses) is that the majority of partygoers opt to camp-out in the desert in order to provide ample time to recover and reach a sober baseline before leaving.

    By ending these parties, the law enforcement is forcing the attendees (most likely under the influence) to leave the premises. This creates unnecessary dangers on the highways and roads, as drugged-up attendees attempt to make their way home.

    I really can’t understand how they feel this is aiding in keeping citizens safe.

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      Um those very same people would have had to leave the party at some point if the party hadn’t been broken up and they would still have been under the influence then. Maybe even more so since they would have been there longer and had time to imbibe.

      • Dawson
        August 28, 2013 at 3:19 pm

        If you took the time to properly peruse my post you would understand that camping out gives able opportunity to sleep and sober up.

        • A Fan Of EDM
          August 29, 2013 at 6:53 pm

          The desert raves, when over, sound stops, everything packs up and goes home, several hours later, the last troopers finally go home because they waited til it was safe.

          Last call at 1:45 and EVERYONE kicked out at 2am after being RUSHED to purchase more alcohol is how HUNDREDS of people drive through our streets intoxicated EVERY SINGLE DAY.

          But its legal to encourage people to drink right before driving.

  17. courtney
    August 27, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Excuse me, retarded [removed] AV Times & LA Weekly.
    stop the [removed]. You’re lying and you know it
    leave us alone.
    raving is what I live for and I am sure
    many others would agree.
    & Believe it or not I am not a drug addict
    You will not take my freedom to do what makes me happy
    I will fight for it, as well as the rest of us
    I am an American and I WILL fight for what I believe in,
    Regardless what the media and government forces society to think

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:15 pm

      Freedom is not all encompassing, It has it’s limits.

      You want to have fun, do it legally. Go buy some land, host your own parties. But wait, that would involve effort and paperwork and all that other stuff that comes with being responsible.

      Here’s an idea, go to college, get a law degree and change the laws regarding drugs if you are so passionate about it.

      • Kidd Scott
        August 27, 2013 at 9:38 pm

        Read the article closely, the other event WAS on private property. And did have security at the gate searching people to ensure there safety. Out of 400 people 4 people got charged with misdemeanors…If they found anything besides some pot that would be felonys….Sounds like the same percentage of trouble they have at the fair or any club or bar out here… LOL My Event LOCK IN was at a concert venue that was legal and permitted to hold club events…..The city and the Sheriffs told me they didnt have a problem with my event,They had a problem with the venue wanting to run so late having a beer garden attached to the venue.

        • Kidd Scott
          August 27, 2013 at 9:41 pm

          I’m 28 and have no problem with paperwork or being responsible…I have kids and a job…nothing new to me…I think it would be great if people had something to do out here to keep ammused so they didnt have to rely on babymaking and getting messed up…I grew up out here i know how it is and how little there is to do.

        • AVGirl
          August 27, 2013 at 9:50 pm

          Again the staff should not have clumped your event with the illegal rave.

          What you are doing is great and hope that you are able to continue. Heck, I have experience running large events with a degree in the legal field. I wouldn’t mind offering help. Anything to provide an alternative for my 15 year old daughter then illegal parties and other assorted bad stuff that is out there.

        • AVGirl
          August 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm

          I know, I took my daughter there :) I have no issues with something like this. I have issues when people whine and cry that they want their fun but aren’t willing to actually do the work to make it happen legally.

      • soapbox journal
        August 28, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        read a book to your child, volunteer at the animal shelter, that would change your outlook on life. Its not all about fun.

        • Kidd Scott
          August 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm

          I read to her every night lol And I understand life is not all about fun, But shouldn’t you have the option to unwind or have something to do, somewhere to meet peers and the opposite sex? Blowing off steam is important too when you live a stressful life. Getting away from your normal life is therapeutic and necessary sometimes.

    • [removed]
      August 31, 2013 at 8:40 am

      Well said Courtney, media and cops are painting a terrible picture of us. We have the right to dance and listen to music. I am no drug addict either. I am a sober raver, I work go to college. And al the people I know out here who party, are respectful, clean up the venue after. Go where the music will not bother anyone for miles. The uneducated real world is misjudging us from the outside. To the public: Until you have ever been to a rave for your self, quit hating and stereo typing us. Do not be ignorant, there are far more worst problems that need handled here in the AV.

  18. Zach
    August 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    All the people that are posting against the raves sound really misinformed and ignorant. Pull your heads out of your butts and realize that the things that you are arguing against at these parties happen everywhere! You can’t avoid them wether you’re walking down the street or going to a bar. If parties need to be stopped then the bars should be shut down as well. How would you feel about that? Drunk people are more likely to commit all these crimes. At least on most of these drugs you don’t black out and can’t think. So think before you make yourself look like an ignorant [removed]. I personally don’t do drugs or drink, but I can’t tell you which is worse! Let the people party and dance just like everyone of you did when you were a kid.

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:19 pm

      The real issue with a rave is that it is unpermitted and usually unsupervised. Bars are required to cut off a patron at a certain point and face heavy fines if they serve minors. Raves are not controlled. let’s not even get into the sanitation and health issues involved with a rave.

      Not to mention ones held out in the desert are held on private land without permission. Would you like it if someone came to your house, threw a party and left a huge mess to clean up?

      • Zach
        August 27, 2013 at 11:52 pm

        So let us hold them legally with security that checks for drugs and weapons just like any other place the lock in WAS completely legal and did not get shut down. Now it’s getting slandered by the social media as being illegal. The promoter worked with the city to make it LEGAL. We are attempting to follow the law just like every bar and club. So put police outside to wait for people to come out and break the law like everywhere else does. And when we hold the desert we do it on private property permitted by the owner. And we CAN hold those as long as there are porta pities and permits. It is able to be legally done just like every where else. But you people won’t let us do that peacefully.

        • AVGirl
          August 28, 2013 at 8:47 am

          I really wish that the staff here would update their information.

          I understand that the 2 events were different. The lock in was being done legally and I applaud that. The ones in the desert usually aren’t.

  19. Jason
    August 27, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Exactly. How about all the nasty, dirty, hole-in-the-wall tweaker bars out in the AV? Bleh. They’re worrying about the wrong crowds.

    • fox11newssucks
      August 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      Yeah the cops are wasting AV tax payer money , music and dancing is not a crime. We will not give up or back down to our rights. There is soo much real crime in the AV cops let real criminals get away with because they are too busy busting people dancing. Shame on you cops. How about doing your jobs and getting all the pedofiles, rapists and murders out here.

  20. Devon Chase
    August 27, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    This is unbelievable to read. First off, if you’re going to go on a tirade about these parties, please make sure your information is correct. As Kidd said, Lock In was a fully permitted, LEGAL event that did happen, and it went quite well.

    Coming from someone who has gone to quite a few of these parties out in the desert, yes I’ve seen drugs such as MDMA, and LSD around, but despite your claims, there are a huge number of people who don’t partake, myself included. And in my 4 years of raving, I’ve never once seen someone taking bath salts. I’ve never been harmed, threatened, drugged, or anything even close to that at any one of these events.

    On the contrary, I’ve seen incredible acts of kindness, love, and unity at each and every rave I’ve been to. For example, when a friend of mine lost her phone, an announcement was made to search for it, and within minutes, after everyone pitching in to help her look, it was found and returned to her. In this scene, we’re a family, a community. Not a drug addicted group of thugs.

    I understand your concern about illegal venues/substances, but from what I can tell that is your only legitimate concern, plus those problems are not the extremities you’re making them out to be. So please, pull your heads out of your asses and quit while you’re ahead. Lying to make us look bad merely backfires and adds to the criticism geared towards the media and police force.

  21. August 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    It is not law enforcement’s job to protect people from themselves. That is a police state. The most concerning aspect of this is the attitudes of the officers talking to the press.

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:20 pm

      So I suppose people should not be ticketed for failure to wear seatbelts or DUI?

      • Kidd Scott
        August 27, 2013 at 9:32 pm

        …When people are trying to exercise there constitutional right to assemble and told they cannot because they are being protected from themselfs, Then lies are drawn up to justify it…Sounds alot like a police state if you ask me. Doesn’t sound like Democracy…

        • AVGirl
          August 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm

          My comments are solely on the whole rave issue. From what you have said and what I have personally observed, what you are trying to do is legitimate and I commend you for that.

          And freedom of assembly is fine, but it should be done within the law, which many raves are not.

  22. ruben avila
    August 27, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Woww soo funny bathsalts???? What a joke I agree with molly mcgregor 100percent this is full if lies and hate with people that have nothing better to do besides make money get outa here

  23. Molly McGregor
    August 27, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    You guys seriously don’t know what you are talking about. There are bigger and more dangerous things going on in the AV area then raves. What about all the tweakers that roam the streets and all the pedophiles that live in our own neighbor hoods? And not to mention all the gang members. Yes there might be drugs at these raves but only the stupid ones take drugs. And NEVER EVER in my whole time raving have I seen someone do bathsalts at a rave,come on guys that’s ridiculous and you know it. Do us all a favor and stop over glorifying your stories and stick to true facts. Not all people that go to raves are extreme drug addicts. I swear the nerve of some people blows my [removed] mind sometimes.

    • Code Red
      August 29, 2013 at 11:02 am

      How about molly, Molly?

  24. Kidd Scott
    August 27, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    City was awesome by the way, Felt my despair of working on an event for a month and investing my time and cash into just to have to move locations because of a misunderstanding. Advised me I could run an event like I planned at a Church, YMCA, or School….Thanks for the advice guys, Look forward to working with you in legitimizing night life in the Antelope Valley. Hopefully The media stops barraging local club and nightlife promoters with there untrue claims and wild stories.

  25. Kidd Scott
    August 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Hmmmmm I threw an event called Lock In Friday Aug. 23’rd odd……It wasn’t scheduled at a warehouse it was scheduled at a concert venue called Industry Theater in Lancaster first off (Yes gasp a permitted location)…Second it wasn’t literally supposed to be locked so noone could escape a fiery death. It was a term to replicate the Lock In’s from our child hood with the Boy Scouts, YMCA, Schools and Church’s. I wasn’t literally going to wrap a chain around the door and padlock it, use your brains. And yet another false statement, I contacted the City and Sheriffs department not the other way around. They told the venue owner they were worried about shootings and gang activity, So me offended knowing the peaceful crowd I promote to contacted them offended. They were more then logical and civil, understanding that I was merely trying to bring tourism and night life/Dance events to our small town. They stated that it wasn’t them having it out for me, That the Venue management was out of compliance with the ABC with there running hours or permits could be obtained for the hours I was wanting to run. I don’t know how You mix my event up with an illegal Underground rave when it was set to be at one of your venues with professional security making sure illegal substances didn’t get inside (just like any other club event or concert.) Seems like you guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot when it comes to you not allowing dance and club type events run. Kids are bored out here, Maybe if you gave them something to do that is monitored, controlled and safe…..They wouldn’t be sitting around with nothing better to do then drugs, It is the AV maybe you should address the real issues.

    • AVGirl
      August 27, 2013 at 9:31 pm

      I do agree with your statement. I took my daughter to the industry theatre early as she has a friend who is friends with one of the bands. We couldn’t stay long but she said she had more fun just being there then she had for a long time.

      We need more events for the youth in the AV. And not just little kid or Church sponsored activities.

    • Jay Smithson
      August 28, 2013 at 3:31 pm

      Go home Kidd Rock…we don’t want your kind here.

      • Kidd Scott
        August 28, 2013 at 3:43 pm


        • Kitten r6
          October 28, 2013 at 6:19 am

          Wow.. Just wow.. Your KIND… Is exactly what the world needs. I’m late coming into the thread.. But.. It’s angering me! I wish everyone was your “kind”. I’m 40… 2 babies.. Married.. High level position at work.. College degree…Been raving for YEARS!! Never have I seen anything close to what these people are talking about. Ravers live by the creed PLUR! Peace love unity respect. They look out for eachother. ALWAYS. Handing out (in drugged) water to complete strangers for hydration.. Standing next to a girl who’s friends stepped away so she will be safe and not alone. Shoot we pull them into our group. Strangers looking after strangers becoming family. Isn’t that what everyone claims they want for the world?? World peace? Well that’s what you get at a rave… Fat.. Thin.. Young.. Old.. White.. Black.. Purple.. Green..rich… Poor.. It doesn’t matter! You are accepted. And you carry that attitude with you in the real world… Long after the last song is played… And the sun comes up… THOSE are the “kind” of people I want around. The “kind” who live by that creed and will be looking out for me should I need it.. In the streets.. If my car breaks down.. Or I get a flat.. It I drop all my groceries… Etc…etc.. Kidd… Your “kind” is always wanted… Dance is something you do… Rave is something you live.

          • Kitten R6
            October 28, 2013 at 6:21 am

            Oops handing out UNDRUGGED WATER! Lol not in drugged!

  26. D
    August 27, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    No one does BATH SALTS !!!! Retards

    • Kidd Scott
      August 27, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Never seen anyone do bath salts, these guys are on bath Salts lol

      • fox11newssucks
        August 27, 2013 at 8:17 pm

        I have been raving since 1994 , been to over 3,000 raves and never seen anyone on or selling bath salts, Media and cops are painting bad pictures of us and its all lyes, we are harmless people who belive in peace, love unity and respect. We dance and listen to music, NOT A CRIME. Cops leave us alone and go catch the pedofiles, rapists and murders out here. We will never stop. We go where we do not disturb people with loud music, and we even pick up our trash. Im sick of media painting false picture of us to the public. The only parties in the AV that have shooting are not ravers or ravers, they are stupid ghetto people “rap” parties but media and normal people are to ignorant to see there is a HUGE difference in both types of people. Educate your self before hating or stereo typing

        • Letlow
          August 27, 2013 at 8:27 pm

          If your party doesn’t have permit, it’s illegal, period. Since the sheriff captain has been quoted saying your kind of parties won’t be given permits, then throwing the party anyway means you’re breaking the law. And that makes you a criminal. Get it?

          Oh, and if you want people to stop “hating or stereotyping” you, then you might try following your own advice. When you label parties not to your liking as “stupid ghetto people rap parties” that is the very definition of hating and stereotyping, with a little racism on the side. Consider this a free education. LOL!

          • Kidd Scott
            August 27, 2013 at 9:09 pm

            Lock In was at a permitted venue. And if you read it correctly it says that will not be permitted in the City of Lancaster or in the County areas.(not allowed) Without permits, these events cannot be held legally. i’ve booked numerous successful dance events in the AV that were permitted…and recently spoke to city hall and the sheriff station….they were more then willing to help us out…So the only thing that makes them illegal is the lack of structure and permits. If permits were unattainable then it might explain why kids are holding events in the desert. lol And the only thing that saying stupid ghetto rap parties is being racist to is ghetto stupid rap party’s lol They didnt say stupid ghetto black rap parties…That would be racist. Consider that your free education.

          • A Fan Of EDM
            August 27, 2013 at 9:38 pm

            lol, to assume anything ghetto and rap related is racist is because YOU only think of black people, that was a rather racist assumption. A ghetto rap party with white people is still a ghetto rap party. How many EDM related shootings or stabbings have occured in the antelope valley? I am guessing that number would be zero. Now how many do you think have happened for hip hop events or non edm clubs and bars? I think you get my point.

          • Letlow
            August 27, 2013 at 9:55 pm

            Read my comment again. Where did I even mention black people? I said “with a little racism” on the side because I understood the writer’s subliminal message. That you would even automatically assume I meant black people because I said racism means that you, like me, got the subliminal message the writer was trying to convey, thus proving my point. Let’s not pretend anymore shall we? Rap music is a form of free expression just like the music at your rave parties. Your parties are all good, but rap parties are for “stupid ghetto people”? Yeah, got it. If you want some respect, then try giving some! Don’t stereotype and hate on one genre of music and at the same time, demand respect for yours. Got it? I think you do…

    • Johnny Trece
      August 27, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      ….unless you are into eating faces. (joke)

  27. Bob
    August 27, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I am personally glad they shut these downs, it is no joke that a few of these can be heard past the five mile marker.

    The trash and illegal disposal of human waste gets pretty old fast for a lot of property owners.

    If they did this with the proper permits and safety codes it would be a non issue, but 150+ people with no porta-potties or trash receptacles in the middle of the desert? Nasty.

    • fox11newssucks
      August 27, 2013 at 8:19 pm

      apparently you have never been, there are porta potties and people do actually pick up trash. Another ignorant dip tard

    • tails comrade fox
      August 28, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      look here we have porta pottys out there we even have medical there like me who stops this kids from actually haveing an od or any other problems maybe you should just learn to love and not [removed] hate

  28. Johnny Trece
    August 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    That’s right. They have other more important tasks to focus on than raves.

  29. Johnny Trece
    August 27, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Party pooping at the tax payers’ expense. C’mon! Helicopters?!

  30. Jack
    August 27, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    I was going to go to this one damn
    Well I’ll just stick to clubbing in LA I guess

  31. Joseph
    August 27, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I understand the concern of drug sales and usage, but I wish there was some way to make this “RAVE” thing safe. Our AV youth need their entertainment like all of us and I rather it is in our back yard then Holly Weird. Just saying.

    • interested
      August 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      Really? Doubt you would want the activity or noise level anywhere near you. There are plenty of other activities that are more useful and less dangerous.

      • DJ LithiYum
        August 27, 2013 at 9:57 pm

        “Yet music and its effects are in powerful evidence across virtually all cultures, so it must satisfy some sort of universal need — often in ways we can’t begin to fathom.”

        “Music may, in other words, tap into a brain mechanism that was key to our evolutionary progress. The ability to recognize patterns and generalize from experience, to predict what’s likely to happen in the future — in short, the ability to imagine — is something humans do far better than any other animals. It’s what allowed us (aided by the far less glamorous opposable thumb) to take over the world.”

        Read more: http://science.time.com/2013/04/15/music/#ixzz2dEhTAxE8

        “A major study added to the growing evidence that stimulating one’s mind by dancing can ward off Alzheimer’s disease and other dementia, much as physical exercise can keep the body fit. Dancing also increases cognitive acuity at all ages.”


        It took me no more than two minutes to find enough studies and physical evidence that there is few if any activities people quite enjoy that are more useful then the gathering of friends to dance to as well as listen to pleasurable music. In our case our culture all comes together because of our passion for electronic dance music.

      • DJ LithiYum
        August 27, 2013 at 10:27 pm

        “Yet music and its effects are in powerful evidence across virtually all cultures, so it must satisfy some sort of universal need — often in ways we can’t begin to fathom.”

        “Music may, in other words, tap into a brain mechanism that was key to our evolutionary progress. The ability to recognize patterns and generalize from experience, to predict what’s likely to happen in the future — in short, the ability to imagine — is something humans do far better than any other animals. It’s what allowed us (aided by the far less glamorous opposable thumb) to take over the world.”

        Quoted from Time Magazine

        “A major study added to the growing evidence that stimulating one’s mind by dancing can ward off Alzheimer’s disease and other dementia, much as physical exercise can keep the body fit. Dancing also increases cognitive acuity at all ages.”

        Quoted from socialdance. stanford. edu

        It took me no more than two minutes to find enough studies and physical evidence that there is few if any activities people quite enjoy that are more useful then the gathering of friends to dance to as well as listen to pleasurable music. In our case our culture all comes together because of our passion for electronic dance music.

    • Uncle Tom
      August 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm

      Ya, there is a way to make it safe, as far as the party aspect. I believe they are called ‘Permits’, which they mentioned a couple times in the article. Simple. Stuff.

      • Kidd Scott
        August 27, 2013 at 9:20 pm

        Lock in was booked at a permitted concert venue…..No different then anywhere else where you would go to dance. It was zoned to handle the noise level and there is professional security there to ensure everyones safety….Better shut down all the bars and clubs in the AV keep everyone safe. lol

  32. Mr. Mister
    August 27, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Good job! These things are date rapes wiating to happen.

    • Mr. Mister
      August 27, 2013 at 5:21 pm

      Says a person who has witnessed and stopped it from happening. Just because you may or may not have been around when some degenerate, hopped up on E or Mollys tries it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

      • tails comrade fox
        August 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm

        and there are people like me who are there to make sure everyones safe by being the medic for the night for free

        • Mr. Mister
          August 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm

          Well that’s noble of you, as long as you’re not partaking in the illicit drug use. But being a medic doesn’t prevent the degenerative activity, it only helps after it’s too late…

      • Jus sayin
        October 28, 2013 at 6:31 am

        Because I’m sure you KNEW what drug they took right? And it happened at a rave right? Around thousands of people. Right?

        • Mr. Mister
          October 28, 2013 at 9:38 am

          Wow only 2 months too late…
          And right, right, and right.

    • Kidd Scott
      August 27, 2013 at 9:24 pm

      Better shut down all the bars and clubs in the AV then. If people can’t watch there drinks or look out for one another we’re all in alot more trouble then you think. I got roofied at an AV bar once, never been drugged in 10 years of attending EDM events…Not saying its not possible or doesnt happen but come on now, don’t blame the event.

      • Mr. Mister
        August 28, 2013 at 9:56 am

        Not blaming the event. Blaming the sick perverts that an event like this attracts. And I understand that is only a fraction of the attending people, but all it takes is one to put a bad name to an event. You have to admit any of these local bars/clubs cater to probably less than 20% of the attendance of one of your events. The more people in attendance, the higher the risk for something bad to happen. I’m all for having fun and enjoying yourself, but when you add something dangerous like MDMA (please don’t pretend like it’s not there) it shakes up the whole equation. Kids are young and want to have fun, we’ve all been there, some of us still are, but I think the main point everyone is trying to get across is the safety. That’s what matters most to me. I’m sure your events are legit, it certainly seems so. Not sure why you got the shaft, but best of luck to you.

        • A Fan Of EDM
          August 29, 2013 at 4:01 am

          ive seen countless drug deals at the av fair grounds. Ive seen my friends father jumped in the parking lot, a peaceful man who goes by “raver dad” whos one of the most generous people I have ever known, who was umped for no reason by a bunch of hoodlums as they left the fair. There was no security anywhere in site, nobody came to help. Ive seen practically riots break out at the av fair. Ive seen so many young underage often minors drinking the beers of much older men because its not monitored.

          According to your statement, the fair, which draws thousands of people, which far outnumbers anything any edm event in the antelope valley has done. has increased numbers of attendance which means drastically far greater risks.

          so, the av fair, a legal and annually conducted event with countless violent crimes committed on a regular basis, is probably the most pedophile ridden, highest rape potential event the av could ever come up with, also the fair is all ages where as the lock in was 18+ so not only are pedophiles running rampant because apparantly the larger the crowd the larger the number of perverts there are according to you, we are basically supplying pedophiles with a buffet of little boys and girls every year. Only takes one to give it a bad name, and how many pedophiles can you find in the antelope valley through online resources just like everywhere else in the world?

          I can tell you right now, ravers peacefully live within a mile of your home, but they aren’t molesting anyone or spying in your windows or anything, some of us are even sober outside of beer and medicating with medicinal mmj, sure not all of us walk a sober line, but i seen tons of druggies out here before the raves ever even came here, i can assure you almost just as likely a pedophile lives just as close to you and for all you know they can be on meth 24/7. Its not raves that risk drugs, its the antelope valley, we’re like, what, the meth capital of the whole freaking world? Did you know meth, crack, coke, heroine, pcp and so many other extreme drugs are frowned on by the edm community? Did you know that really the ones who do stuff generally will do ecstacy, which gives a sense of happiness, not anger like coke, alcohol, speed, etc. Every drug addict in the av that is NOT a raver, is worse than a raver i guarantee it. hiphop, rock and everything else is filled with drugs, usually far worse ones. I see needles throughout town all the time when I walk places, i dont see dirty needles on the floors of our raves.

          We are such a misunderstood community because everyone assumes we are the drug addicts that people have already seen in the world but really its average people, who do not rave, who are destroying lives and killing themselves with drugs, raving is recreational, we arent meth addicts or heroine junkies slammin every night, robbin houses to get a fix, honestly raving costs a LOT of money, $300 for a ticket to edc in las vegas, hundreds for room and board, plus travel to vegas and back. A majority of ravers WORK and CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY where as most junkies, are on welfare, lead miserable lives and drain society.

          our culture is feared because of the fear of what the average man has seen of normal society while our culture is outside that norm, we are judged based on regular people who are addicts, we are not like you people, we are not like the drug addicts of the world, we are not what you think.

          Next time you go to the gas station and a crack head asks you for change, just thank the heavens that at least they arent a raver, right?

          • Mr. Mister
            August 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm

            I don’t disagree with much of your comment, but there are a few things that need clarity. Like the AV Fair (which is actually down in attendance these past few years), your event also attracts pedophiles and rapists. And said rapists and sexual predators WILLL be admitted to both events with paid admission, there are no checks for things like these. The only difference is that The AV Fair is a family event with rides, games, animals, arts & crafts, home show, live concert series…just to name a few. Lets not forget 100+ Sheriffs and/or deputies around the enitre place and parking lot. Hmmmm…raves never have any confrontation? Highly doubtful. No kidnapping (excuse me…adultnapping) happens at raves where freshly turned 18 year old girls are there livin’ it up? C’mon get real. As far as crack, meth, coke and heroine go; ever care to wonder what’s in your Pokeballs, blue dolphins, naked ladies…You just named them. Unless your getting pure MDMA (which is quite damaging anyways), you are doing what you just put down, except all at once. Ecstasy is cut with all those dirty drugs to save on manufacturing costs. Do just a tiny bit of research. Why do you think your ‘happiness’ come-downs are anything but happy? It’s those dirty needle drugs leaving your system. If you even cared to read anything I posted, I don’t care if raves rave or not, I care about the young ladies (and young boys too) who are prey at things like this. Main thing is safety, maybe you’ll understand one day when you become a parent (hopefully not from being strung out during an event). Enjoy life and live it to the fullest, but don’t act like raves are an innocent little gathering with a bunch of altar boys and St. Mary’s girls sitting around just passing a few J’s (which can be very nice) and drinking. You know personally, as do I, what goes on at things like this…

          • Mr. Mister
            August 29, 2013 at 1:39 pm

            *I don’t care if raver rave or not

          • Mr. Mister
            August 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm

            These keyboards!!

  33. mick
    August 27, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    People still go to these?? So 90’s…..

    • Nancy P
      August 27, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      haha, I was going to say, so 60’s.

      • A Fan Of EDM
        August 28, 2013 at 12:02 am

        Yes, people do still go to these according to the 300,000 people who attend edc annually, one of americas largest festivals entirely focused on electronic music and generating $207 MILLION of revenue for las vegas over 1 weekend.

        EDC 2012: $207 Million For Clark County
        Posted: October 2nd, 2012 11:53AM
        The three-day Electric Daisy Carnival (EDC) held at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway in June 2012 pumped an estimated $207 million into the Clark County economy, according to an economic impact report released today by Beacon Economics, LLC.

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