UPDATED: Lancaster toddler killed by driver fleeing police

December 6, 2012
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A 45-year-old man driving this black Toyota ran a red light while fleeing deputies Thursday evening and slammed into blue Lexus, killing a two-year-old girl and critically injuring the girl’s mother. (Photo by NOE VILLEGAS)

LANCASTER – A two-year-old girl is dead and her mother is clinging to life after the vehicle they were riding in collided with a reckless driver fleeing police, authorities said.

The fatal collision happened around 4:56 p.m. Thursday (Dec. 6) in the intersection of 10th Street West and Avenue I in Lancaster, according to Lancaster Station Traffic Sergeant Paul Pfrehm.

The man surrendered after the crash. (Photo by NOE VILLEGAS)

A 37-year-old Lancaster woman was driving a blue Lexus northbound on 10th Street West , when a 45-year-old Palmdale man driving a black Toyota westbound on Avenue I ran a red light and slammed into the woman’s vehicle, Pfrehm said.

The man had been fleeing deputies at speeds of up to 100 miles per hour at the time of the collision, Pfrehm said.

He said the brief pursuit began when deputies attempted to stop the man after they spotted him driving recklessly and running a red light on Sierra Highway and Avenue J.

The suspect was arrested for felony vehicular manslaughter. (Photo by NOE VILLEGAS)

“They did not try to pursue at the time because their vehicle didn’t have overhead lights,” Pfrehm said. “They put it out on the radio that there was a vehicle northbound on Sierra at a high rate of speed, and another unit saw him and got in behind him at about Sierra and [Avenue] I.”

Pfrehm said the man was running numerous red lights during the pursuit, which continued westbound on Avenue I.

“The deputies were a considerable distance behind the vehicle when he ran the red light and struck the vehicle in the intersection,” Pfrehm said.

It is unknown at this time if drugs or alcohol were a factor in the incident. (Photo by NOE VILLEGAS)

The woman and her daughter suffered massive trauma to the upper body, and were transported to the hospital by ambulance, where the child succumbed to her injuries, Pfrehm said.

The suspect was surrounded by several deputies with guns drawn and a sheriff’s helicopter overhead. He raised his hands out the vehicle in apparent surrender and was handcuffed on the ground by deputies.

The suspect was arrested for felony vehicular manslaughter and transported to the hospital in serious condition, Pfrehm said.

The intersection at 10th Street West and Avenue I was blocked for hours because of the incident. (Photo by NOE VILLEGAS)

“If you kill somebody while trying to evade a law enforcement officer in pursuit of you, it’s going to be a vehicular manslaughter charge,” Pfrehm said.

Pfrehm said the police pursuit lasted less than a minute.

“It was a very short duration pursuit and the sheriff’s vehicle was never close to the suspect’s vehicle,” Pfrehm said. “He was a considerable distance in front of us.”

It is unknown at this time if drugs or alcohol were a factor in the collision.  The suspect’s name and the names of the victims have not been released.

Sheriff’s Detectives continue to investigate this fatal collision, and ask if anyone has information regarding this incident, to contact the Lancaster Sheriff’s Station Traffic Enforcement Team at 661-948-8466

UPDATED 12/7/12 at 12 pm: The suspect has been identified as 45-year-old Marvin Hicks of Palmdale. He was released from the hospital last night and is currently in custody in lieu of $1 million bail.

The two-year-old girl who passed away has been identified as Madison Ruano.

Loved ones have created a facebook page to honor Maddie’s memory here.

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92 Responses to UPDATED: Lancaster toddler killed by driver fleeing police

  1. Mrs M on January 17, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Out of the sorrow of Madison’s passing comes the joy of a new life.

  2. curious on December 26, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Is there any truth to the rumor that the mom was cited for not having the baby properly secured in the car seat?

  3. The Good News Is-The Bad News Is Wrong~Amen~TDC on December 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    So sad….and so are most of the comments…I read them and understand the rage…Go ahead AV…get it out your system…

    • DENISE on December 13, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      This man has been out of control for awhile. His past illegal activity in November of 2011, should have had him locked away for at least 5 years. He found a gullible public defender and manipulated him and the system. One of the witnesses to one of his crimes recanted her testimony claiming to be afraid of Hicks. What was there to be afraid of? If he’d been held accountable for that crime he wouldn’t have been out to cause this horrible crime which has taken a precious life and affected lives of many with whom are mourning. Shame on that one witness to the 11/30/11 crime! That babies blood is on your hands too!

  4. CLAUDIA on December 10, 2012 at 10:41 am

    LOVE THE FAMILY OF THIS LITTLE GIRL

  5. CLAUDIA on December 10, 2012 at 10:41 am

    i FEEL THE FAMILY AND I I AM PRAYING ALOT FOR THEM. HOPEFULY THEY GIVE HIM LIFE TIME IN JAIL AND NEVER LET HIM GO. THIS LITTLE GIRL DID DONT DISERVED TO DIE LIKE THAT SHE STILL HAD A LONG LIFE TO GO SHE WAS ONLY TO.. POOR OF THE MOTHER THAT IS IN THE HOSPITAL INJUR BUT HE WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING HE TOOK THE LIFE OF A LITTLEGIRL. MY PRAYERS ARE FOR THIS FAMILY AND FOR THE BABY GIRL SHE WAS SO INNOCENT OF EVERYTHING. :(

  6. MR ANTELOPE VALLEY on December 10, 2012 at 10:15 am

    that ass hole needs to see what he did poor little girl didn’t make it for christmas well he in jail now

    • CLAUDIA on December 10, 2012 at 10:43 am

      YEA HE IS HOPE HE STAYS THERE FOR LIFE

  7. Paul Williams on December 8, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    The Hick’s clan has had a rather infamous reputation in the AV from way back into the 1960′s.

    • sikntired on December 8, 2012 at 9:53 pm

      How so Paul?

  8. Notagain!!!! on December 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I WAS THERE LAST NIGHT AT THE ACCIDENT SCENE!!! REALLY REALLY SCARY!!! WE HAVE AN INNOCENT LITTLE GURL GONE!!!! SO SAD SHE WHEN OUT THIS WAY!!! AS FOR THE DRIVER!!! DONT HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR YOU. YOU CAN GO TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE!!! ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME KNOW IS THAT THIS SUCKA IS GOING TO CRY TO THE JUDGE AN SAY ” YO ARNER,, IT WASN’T ME!!! IT WAS THE POLICE WHO MADE ME CRASHH!!! IM THE VICTIM HERE!!!! ” JUDGE GIVES HIM 3 MONTHS IN JAIL THEN HE COMES OUT DOING THE SAME THING ALLL OVERRR 

  9. Just Reading on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “The driver has been identified as 45-year-old Marvin Hicks, of Palmdale. He was also hospitalized, but his injuries were not serious.” -This was from KTLA.com

    • Tragic on December 7, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      I was there when he collided the Sheriff could have shot him as he was disobeying orders but there were to many idiots standing in the gas station to stupid to realize the situation and see that deputy’s had their guns drawn on the suspect. People are just ignorant. I pray for the family of the victims and I hope the suspect does the right thing and take his own life save tax payers some money.

  10. a[removed]ulove2hate on December 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    man so sad that the family lost there lil baby and god please protect the mother and help her heal her injuries and help her and give her courage to go on! now god bless the man who was responsible for this tragic accident, who knows what that man was going through at the time rather it was drugs or alcohol , who knows maybe he just lost his friggin mind and was goin through some [removed] in this [removed] up life most of us have and wasnt thinking clearly! accidents do happen and sadly he has to suffer the consequences for his actions who are any of you to judge thank you

    • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm

      OMG – how is this an accident? You must be bored and looking for a reaction.

      • Adam Chant on December 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm

        Just searching THIS site produces this:

        Palmdale Arrests Monday 10/1/2012

        Marvin Travon Hicks, 45, Male, Black of Palmdale
        1:42 p.m., 10-1-2012
        245(A)(1)/PC/F FORCE/ADW NOT FIREARM:GBI
        Palmdale Blvd 35th St E Palmdale

        For those watching at home this is an assault with a deadly weapon other than a gun with Great Bodily Injury.

        Probably the minimum he was charged with last night also.

        • RC on December 7, 2012 at 5:13 pm

          AND this:

          Marvin T Hicks, 48, Male, Black of Palmdale
          6:15 p.m., 10-30-2012
          459/PC/F BURGLARY
          Ave K, Division Street Lancaster

          Arrested for serious crimes twice in the A.V. in October alone. Why was this guy still out? This whole tragic situation would have been completely prevented if this piece of human excrement was locked up where he belongs.

          • Tragic on December 7, 2012 at 8:20 pm

            Thank the govner

          • Beervana on December 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm

            Was he there? Jerry or Arnold? How and why are they the reason this guy is a criminal. Seriously, please explain.

    • T. on December 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm

      You’re right, I do HATE you! With a passion!

      • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 2:31 pm

        Would you care to tell me why?

        • Tim B. on December 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm

          I think that was addressed to:

          a[removed]ulove2hate on December 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm

          • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm

            O.K. thanks, I hate to think someone doesn’t like me.

    • justbeingreal on December 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      You are so IGNORANT !! To bad the reckless driver who has an extensive rap sheet isn’t the one who passed, instead of an innocent child. This guy was a LOSER. People deal with problems everyday and don’t choose to drive erratically, and from his track record this guy is a menace to society and needs to be put away. Unfortunately we the working public will have to support him in prison and he gets a roof over his head and hot meals. The family of the little girl have to suffer.

  11. Palmdale_Steve on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Did the police identify the driver of the car who caused the crash yet?

  12. Dec7 on December 7, 2012 at 11:27 am

    IM TRYING TO THINK HOW WE CAN PREVENT ALL THESE PROBLEMS OUT HERE IN THE AV.

    FOR CRIMES, SPEEDING, DRUGS, AND ANYTHING ELSE.

    I KNOW PEOPLE THAT DIDN’T DO DRUGS UNTIL THEY CAME UP HERE.

    • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 11:36 am

      PLEASE – He had a history of DUI, give me a break.That’s one of the stupidest things I have read on here “you know people who didn’t do drugs until they came up here.”By all means then,go back where you came from.It must be the desert air.

      • Dec7 on December 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm

        WHY DID HE GET OUT OF JAIL SO SOON IF HE WAS JUST ARRESTED?

    • dumbandblind on December 8, 2012 at 9:30 am

      “IM TRYING TO THINK HOW WE CAN PREVENT ALL THESE PROBLEMS OUT HERE IN THE AV. FOR CRIMES, SPEEDING, DRUGS, AND ANYTHING ELSE.” – Great question.

      “I KNOW PEOPLE THAT DIDN’T DO DRUGS UNTIL THEY CAME UP HERE.” – Irrelevant.

      • Pretty Pollyanna Is Exasperated on December 9, 2012 at 3:24 am

        We should all Just SAY NO To Drugs and that would be that…

        So THERE..!

        ***

  13. Tim B. on December 7, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Too bad we can’t take this a$$h0l3 and push him off of the overpass on one Southern California’s busiest freeways during rush hour!

  14. Adam Chant on December 7, 2012 at 9:03 am

    To call this even a “brief pursuit” would be a stretch at best.
    I was one of the -probably- many people who contacted the station to report a reckless driver heading north on Sierra Hwy. Before a single deputy was around and as far back as Ave K this guy was traveling well over 100 MPH and using the middle median to pass vehicles. By the time he got to Ave J there was a deputy heading west and saw him run the light, but because of a random ambulance and fire truck traveling west, stayed at the intersection until they were through, then turned to follow the Solara with lights. By the time the solara was by the Lancaster station deputies were just pulling out with lights and sirens, but he was around the corner and on to Ave I before any deputy’s vehicles could catch up. At this point I was down the BLVD on the way to my store, but there is no doubt that the accident had already happened and it was no fault of the deputies or anyone else except the driver of that black convertible Solara.
    This is so tragic and I feel for the family. This is especially hard for me as I almost lost my wife last year this month from a vehicle accident.

    I wish only the best for the injured family.

    • AV Town Crier on December 7, 2012 at 9:43 am

      Thanks for an accurate report. I’m sure there will be those (no matter the facts) that will still blame the cops. Sounds like they did a good job.

      • Melanie on December 7, 2012 at 10:38 am

        hood rats always blame the cops! It’s their way of passing off their own shortcomings and stupidity onto someone else!

  15. Forewarned on December 7, 2012 at 7:55 am

    ANOTHER senseless murder! What the heck happened to the A.V.? Did someone open the flood gates and tell all the scumbags, lowlifes and ex-felons to come? SMH

    • QHR on December 7, 2012 at 8:41 am

      What happened to the AV? What was once a great valley to live in is getting poisened by Section 8 and a prison with a whole bunch of parolees on the loose.

      • Grannie on December 7, 2012 at 9:10 am

        Looks to me like there’s a lot of bad drugs out there that are driving people insane.

        • Matt K. on December 7, 2012 at 9:21 am

          …or bad people who take the drugs! Let’s not make excuses for this P.O.S., Please!

          • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 10:20 am

            Right Matt, doesn’t matter if it’s beer or bath salts, someone decides to ingest it( in most cases) and then get behind the wheel.

        • Otto on December 7, 2012 at 9:28 am

          Drugs have always been there….the people who are moving here are the problem.

        • Adam Chant on December 7, 2012 at 9:55 am

          No there are new designer drugs that can cause extremely violent reactions that are much worse than the infamous P.C.P.
          Bath Salts based in synthetic cathinones is a popular drug that makes people do everything from act crazy to eat peoples faces off. Because it’s so new it’s not fully recognized by laws and often pitched as legal and sold in head shops.

          • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 11:42 am

            So let me see, do they think it’s a nutritional supplement or have they not heard from their peers that they can get off on it, or maybe they thought they would put it in a bath.
            What does the term “head “shop imply?

    • justbeingreal on December 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      EXACTLY, his name was Mayor Hearns, he’s the one that opened our valley up to all the section 8 housing and releasing the criminal into the antelope valley. THANKS AGAIN MAYOR HEARNS. thank god he’s not in office anymore.

      • willard on December 7, 2012 at 6:22 pm

        Yeah, HEARNS. He’s supposed to be some ‘bishop’ in a crappy little church in Littlerock.

      • William on December 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm

        I wonder if he owns some Section 8 houses. Same with many other big shots in the Valley. The AV Press should ask around.

    • Beervana on December 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm

      yes

    • toria on December 9, 2012 at 12:26 am

      Mayor Herns did when he gave out all the section 8 to the Jordon downs Renters when that housing project was torn down!

      • Forewarned on December 9, 2012 at 9:23 am

        Yes, I’ve heard rumors that Hearns sent buses…yes buses down there to bring them up here! Also, I believe ever since Metrolink started service from here to L.A. that that too is the reason we have more undesirables.

  16. jenell lee on December 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

    My heart goes out to the family of that Bby girl and her mom it is so sad that this happen

  17. Oh no! on December 7, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Hate to see this happen t a family. A family will never be the same now because of another AV POS.

  18. John on December 7, 2012 at 6:30 am

    This guy was driving crazy on Sierra Highway before any officer even got behind him.

  19. J. Ripper on December 7, 2012 at 5:22 am

    Seriously, just the other night I had to drive through central Palmdale after dark, and near the Jack in the Box on Palmdale Blvd at 6th St East where the right-hand lane becomes a turn-only lane, I saw a car blatantly blast through the end of the turn-only lane, bop across the tracks in the “extra” space, and cut back into the next lane over (now the right-hand lane) up at the light at Sierra Hwy. Not the same level of risk/danger, BUT… a reminder that people in the ghetto really drive way worse overall, with blatant disregard for traffic laws just as much as any other laws — whether they’re running from police or that’s just the way they always drive! I try to avoid driving in the ghetto parts of town (and by town, I don’t distinguish between Lancaster or Palmdale) after dark especially!!! 4:56 is dusk this time of year, not that that would’ve helped the poor victims by having more daylight, that they could’ve seen him coming.

    • Frank Rizzo on December 7, 2012 at 6:30 am

      So we should avoid driving in the antelope valley?

    • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 8:24 am

      We have had horrendous accidents here for many years, many out in the boonies,many by rednecks who were drunk so this particular problem knows no color. You have to watch yourself no matter where you are.
      This is the saddest story here in a long time, a reminder that life can be taken any second.
      Too bad the suspect survived, would have saved us the cost of his room and board and legal defends.
      Hope we can band together as a community to help this family.

      • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 8:26 am

        *defense

      • Rosa Sena on December 7, 2012 at 10:57 am

        I drove by I on my way to work last night and saw all the chaos…wasnt sure what happen untill i got home n saw the news :-(its devastating i cant even imagine what the mom is going through. I had told my husband im so glad we have a car to drive because i thought the mom was walking with her daughter, but now that i know what really happen…i pray to God to give that family strength and that the community lends a hand. This morning i drove by it again and it broke my heart seeing the memorial for that lil baby girl..it put me in tears because i have a 2 yr old baby girl aswell and its sooo scary thinking that even if ur in the car and properly in her baby seat…anything can happen. n yes the av is getting worst. May God be with them and all of us. Please keep that family in your prayers.

  20. dancer93 on December 7, 2012 at 3:46 am

    Rip to Tina and baby Madison u will be missed I love u guys lots of prayers to the family’s and the amazing husband and father to them!!

    • Sandie on December 7, 2012 at 6:35 am

      @ dancer did mother pass away..

      This is so horriable.. Breaks my heart.. The innocent diewhile the low life scums get to see tomorrow..

      • M on December 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

        News just said she is still in critical condition

        • Sandie on December 7, 2012 at 7:09 am

          I just saw that aslo.. They say is expected to make it.. I just read a comment on topis from stupid ahole.. Unbelivabe.. Said something about sheriffs getting a taste of there own medicine about little girl dying.. Im so raged at his comment.

          • Sandie on December 7, 2012 at 7:13 am

            Topix

    • ABC on December 7, 2012 at 6:52 am

      WTH Tina passed away also??

    • Tracey on December 7, 2012 at 8:22 am

      Hi, My young daughter and I were there, as the driver sped past our car he collided instantly with the victims,(within a few seconds time) I pulled over to try and calm down and to make a statement, if needed. Today I am just so grateful am sitting here. Yet, I feel terrible for everyone involved last evening, just So VeRy SORRY about the families involved, and even the officers placed within in this tragedy, who at first i was sadly cursing. Really, no one wins in these sad situations. God Bless all involved ~*~

  21. T-Bone on December 7, 2012 at 3:32 am

    This should be a Murder Charge!!

    • Kimberly Miller on December 7, 2012 at 7:23 am

      I agree — this SHOULD be a murder charge! When a person makes the choice to evade law enforcement and use a vehicle as their means of escape, KNOWING that they are endangering others — drivers as well as pedestrians who might be on the sidewalks and in crosswalks — it should be considered PRE MEDITATED murder! This intersection is a “family” intersection — lots of little houses, little restaurants, clothing shops, Dollar Tree — it attracts people to that spot. This is so painfully outrageous!

  22. dumbandblind on December 7, 2012 at 1:34 am

    This man should get the Death Penalty for Vehicular homicide. That or when he gets out on parole… more people will die.

    • Erika on December 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      Once they prove that alcohol was involved, the charge will change from vehicular manslaughter to murder with a minimum sentence of 25 years. The laws changed in 2008. Unfortunately its the rest of us productive, law abiding citizens that will have to foot the bill for this idiot.

      • Palmdale_Steve on December 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm

        @Erika

        You’re probably right, but with early release and other nonsense this piece of human excrement will be out of jail in 7 to 10 years.

  23. Cookie on December 7, 2012 at 1:22 am

    My prayers go out to the family of the little girl. Dad hang in there and just pray. You might think praying is not going to bring her back but, in times like this God is always there and I know your baby is looking down at you from heaven.

  24. gabby on December 6, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    I feel for the mom baby girl is already in (
    Heaven with Angels And God !

    • gabby on December 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm

      To mention the name of the suspect is giving him fame for this atrocious act of selfishness he doesn’t deserve the fame ….And Justice for All!

      • David on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 am

        What Fame is there from murdering a 2 year old in cold blood?

        I pray for strength for the father to fullfil his duty to slaughter this trash and send a message as an eye for an eye

      • Kimberly Miller on December 7, 2012 at 7:29 am

        I agree AND disagree. Some thugs WANT the press — their 15 minutes of fame, no matter that it isn’t fame, it’s infamy. They don’t want to be remembered for their notariety, but their notorius crimes. To withold his name is to strip him of his “creds”, his “props”. Yet, to name him, is to make others aware of his shame — to remember his face, his name, with disgust. So….it’s one of those situations where it all boils down to this: He is alive. A mother and baby spilled their blood for his trying to save his own skin. I don’t care if he gets rehabbed in the joint — Tina and Madison don’t get to rehabilitate, do they???

    • sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 10:26 am

      And where pray tell were the “angels and God “when this ass**** began his crime spree?

      • Erika on December 7, 2012 at 4:20 pm

        We don’t always understand the ways of the Lord, and frankly that’s because we simply aren’t God and don’t see the whole picture. Our existence on this earth is only a snippet of eternity, and I have no doubt that little Madison is now in the arms of the Lord in a place made of only beauty and joy and love. A terrible tragedy indeed, but its times like these that we should turn to the Lord not away from Him. We all have a choice in this life as to what we pursue, who we influence, and where we will spend an eternity. I will be praying for His peace with this family as I can only imagine the horrible sense of loss they are experiencing.

        • sikntired on December 8, 2012 at 6:10 pm

          God is man’s creation.

          • Yo Mama on December 9, 2012 at 6:36 am

            Here, here….Total nonsense.

  25. David on December 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Should have shot the sorry SOB dead on the spot. Why waste a Milion $$$ trying such trash caught in the Act? May you Burn in Hell and your family with you!

    • David on December 7, 2012 at 12:11 am

      The father now has a duty to slay this trash. They will probley be harder on the father if he did then the trash who slayed his 2 year old

      • Tyrus on December 7, 2012 at 6:19 am

        Nah, the father should keep his hands clean. The POS will get raped in prison.

        • FEd Up on December 7, 2012 at 7:21 am

          The Father is too nice of a guy to do that. Very Nice Family.. But I would love to do it = )

          • Yo Mama on December 9, 2012 at 6:37 am

            Call me when you go….

  26. Sandrita on December 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Horrible death for a young 2 year old that did not deserve to die. Poor mother is hanging on; she was probably on her way home from a hard day at work with her baby. The driver was out and about drinking and driving with no regard for the safety of human life. Why did he flea from the police?

  27. Monica on December 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    My heart and prayers go out to the family , this is so horrible..

  28. FEd Up on December 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Of Course another Ghetto ass MoFo was running from the cops!

  29. karmapolice on December 7, 2012 at 7:39 am

    This AV Pompton scumbag should get the death penalty… I am sure this is not his first offense, we can pray this is the third strike… right before the holidays a poor family has to suffer because of this POS!

  30. Melanie on December 7, 2012 at 9:54 am

    If there is such a thing as “karma”, maybe this a-hole will be brought back as a bug on a busy freeway and die a thousand deaths until he knows what that 2 year old baby girl went through!

  31. Diandra on December 7, 2012 at 10:00 am

    I agree with you. He should get the death plenty, he killed a poor little baby girl all cause he was driving dumb for whatever reason. My heart goes out to this family. I lost my mom 2 years ago in lake la in a tragic car accident. And the driver who killed her was never punished. In fact he is still driving big rigs like nothing ever happened.
    So I know the hurt and the pain this family is going thur. I’m very sorry to hear this. The av is getting worse ad worse. I’m glad I got out when I did.

  32. sikntired on December 7, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Well, turns out your right.He was just that.

  33. Beervana on December 7, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Maybe coming back as Marvin Hicks IS his Karma. If he ever thought he struggled before, his life just turned into a nightnare at his own hands.

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