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  102 comments for “Readers Speak Out! (Important message)

  1. really
    November 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Just four more days till election day! I have made my opinions known about Obama. This post is not about that though, I encourage everyone Democrat or Republican to go vote. Many people in the world dont have the freedoms we do and would (and have) kill for the opportunity to vote. We live in the greatest country in the world and have the opportunity to select our leadership. Think about the womens suffrage movement, the civil rights movement etc.. We owe it to those who persavered to excercise the rights we have

    • anotherdummy
      November 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm

      In regards to the presidential election, isn’t it near certain that California’s electorate will cast its vote for Obama (likely even before the polls close)?

      • really
        November 3, 2012 at 10:03 am

        Yes that is true, however thats not a reason to stay home.

  2. Teacher
    October 31, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    As the election grows ever closer, just a thought……. do NOT negotiate with terroritsts, foreign or domestic. When we are told Vote for Prop 30 or else?? What else could you possibly call that?? California’s budget was passed over 4 months ago counting on the passing of this proposition, how incredibly irresponsible is that? Brown (pathetic 2nd chance mistake) was elected by CTA on the promise of “not touching education” …. REALLLLY???? If you don’t like the idea of calling the California governor a domestic terrorist than how about calling his tactics extortion?? A NO vote on Prop 30 will hurt our kids in their academic endeavours and severly hurt teacher pay (including mine), but I will NOT bend to threats, extortion or terrorist actions. My family will endure. Please stop the spending madness….. vote NO on Prop 30!!!!

    • :(
      October 31, 2012 at 11:49 pm

      Since your guy, da governator left us with this mess, what do you suggest? Give one of yours another chance???

      • Say What?
        November 1, 2012 at 12:19 am

        Uh, you do understand that the Democrat controlled Senate and Assembly pretty much run this state no matter who is governor and this has been the case since Reagan left office in the 1970s, right? You want to blame the mess this state is in, look to the party with the apt logo of the donkey (aka mule, aka jacka**) my friend.

        • :(
          November 3, 2012 at 1:36 am

          That’s funny. Yet Obama has a republican controlled congress cock-blocking his every move, and you think he’s supposed to magically overcome that?
          Which is it? Was the governator supposed to get something done or wasn’t he? If you knew he is impotent, why did you force California into a recall and another election?

      • Teacher
        November 1, 2012 at 6:30 am

        First of allllll, he is NOT my guy!! My suggestion?? I think almost everyone in office should be voted out (they are waaaay toooo comfortable in their jobs and have forgotten they are representing US). Secondly, our military for whom I have the utmost respect changed their paychecks years and years ago so that they are only paid extra for ONE dependent (could be a spouse or child, doesn’t matter). Maybe welfare should be the same!!! ONE dependent and no more. This is the quickest and simplest change that would produce the most results :) I have suggested we rename our school to include the word penetentiary, then we’d have a full time doctor, nurses, LOTS of wonderful technology, an amazingly modern library, dieticians….. you get the idea. I could go on and on!! Bottom line it is up to US, the people, to vote correctly and send them a message: enough is enough!!!

  3. Forewarned
    October 31, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I see Pandering-In-Chief Obama is in New Jersey checking out the damage. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who were effected by the storm. However I still wonder….where was Hussein Obama when our Americans in Benghazi where crying for help?! Silence………………………………………………………….!

    • Tyrus
      October 31, 2012 at 3:39 pm

      Yeah dude, the last administration did a much better job during Katrina. I’m sure Mit Rumnee will keep all wealthy americans safe from harm. You know, so they can spread the wealth from their tax breaks.

      • Hector
        October 31, 2012 at 3:52 pm

        Right…and Geo Bush summoned the hurricane, right? Back to the subject, do you see anything wrong with the lack of response to Benghazi?

        • Tyrus
          October 31, 2012 at 4:27 pm

          If you think I was implying that the Bush Administration summoned a hurricane, then anything a say is wasted on you. Now I see why Mr. spelled everything out for you. I will admit that I know little of the event in Benghazi but I can assure you the line of communication is not like it appears in the movies. If you ever seen the movie Black Hawk Down, that would be the best example I can give you. I know because I’m an ex-army communications specialist.

          • Hector
            October 31, 2012 at 5:16 pm

            I’m just saying that the subject was Obama’s handling of the Benghazi attack, and you immediately changed it to the Bush administration. Just like when conservatives say that Obama sucks, and liberals refer back to Bush to deflect the issue.

          • Tyrus
            October 31, 2012 at 5:36 pm

            That’s the way it works Hector. If you criticize the current Democratic President, then you open the gate to get slapped in the face with a friendly reminder of the last Republican President screw-ups and fumbles. I can’t criticize Rumnee’s command decisions as President now can I?

          • Hector
            October 31, 2012 at 5:52 pm

            But think about it….How is it responsive to a criticism of Obama to bring up some other guy? I liked Bush, but if somebody told me that Bush spent too much, I’d have to agree. Or if I disagreed, I’d say why. I think Obama spent too much too…even more than Bush, but I wouldn’t use that to defend Bush.

        • Forewarned
          October 31, 2012 at 6:18 pm

          Dude…if you want to go there about Katrina/Bush. It took over one month into the worst environmental catastrophe in US history before President Barack Hussein Obama finally did anything for the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Epic Fail! BTW…I’m female.

          • Tyrus
            October 31, 2012 at 7:13 pm

            You’re right; the oil spill was a bad eco disaster. Birds and gators where covered in oil. Fisherman couldn’t go catch those delicious gulf shrimp. You’re correct though, it takes way more planning to airlift food and water into a city than to figure out how to stops BP’s oil spill. I don’t why that didn’t just turn the master valve off.

            Sorry I called you Dude, Madam.

          • JAFO
            October 31, 2012 at 8:39 pm

            @ Forewarned

            Why stop with the BP spill? Obama has a list of ‘Fails’ that most people may only be marginally aware of because of the control over the media; hence their silence.
            It’s been posted here before that Fox is such a bad network, yet they seem to be the only one still pushing for answers for the American public. Soros just paid Media Matters $1M to silence Fox: . Twitter is always buzzing about the media bias and their ‘blackout’, but news gets out in spite of them.

            As for Obama’s list of ‘Fails’, here are a few of the ‘biggies’:

            11.05.09 Ft. Hood — 12 Soldiers and 1 unborn baby dead, countless injured. Obama will not allow it to be classified as a ‘Terrorist Attack’ even tho’ Major Hasan repeatedly shouted, “Allahu Akbar!” while singling out SOLDIERS ONLY!

            Fast & Furious (was preceded by Operation Castaway-also failed — Not only did F & F kill Border Agents, Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata, but it slaughtered innocent Mexicans: Full Oversight Reports:

            Now there’s Benghazi — And the lies just keep rolling in. He, Hilary, and our Amb. to the UN, Susan Rice, started by telling the world it was a video that triggered the attack (btw, the guy they blamed it on still sits in jail until 2 days after elections . . .hmmmm). There was clear evidence it wasn’t a ‘spontaneous’ attack over a video and that sent shock-waves thru all the right places. People started digging and more questions were being asked. Obama was getting “offended”.
            Most MSM has been deadly silent, but Fox put together a very good documentary of all the known events:
            A former NSA, Bud McFarlane, weighed in:

            BTW, when Obama told the world “We have al Qaeda on the run”, he knew Libya/Benghazi was in trouble:

          • JAFO
            October 31, 2012 at 10:30 pm

            One quick note on Katrina . . .Senator Obama voted AGAINST the Recovery:

          • Tyrus
            November 1, 2012 at 8:53 am

            @JAFO, I see your hand and raise you: Housing Market Crash, Mogadishu, Gulf ware, Weapons of Mass destruction (lack of), and lets not forget 911. I’ll take my chips now, game over!

          • JAFO
            November 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm

            @ Tyrus

            I won’t play your silly game of naming topics, not providing verifiable documentation, and then calling ‘game over’. Do your own research!

  4. J. Ripper
    October 31, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Where is this week’s “Readers Speak Out” thread? Aren’t you 3 days late? Not doing it anymore?

    Guess I have to add to this one…

    What if Ghettolope Valley was in the path of Hurricane Sandy?

    • Milos
      October 31, 2012 at 4:16 pm

      As long as it’s the east end of Ghettolope Valley.

    • Tyrus
      October 31, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      Thats a shame. You can’t eat a shirt!

  5. Letlow
    October 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Very interesting piece on the Buck/Rogers race, coming all the way from Capitol Hill… Seems like Buck got some journalists in Santa Clarita fired for “negative” reporting. Thank goodness our local media is not bought and sold like the folks in Santa Clarita.

    • :(
      October 30, 2012 at 11:29 pm

      Guess Buck ain’t much for freedom of speech. But then that’s what we can expect from the dude who almost single handily brought us the NDAA!

  6. really
    October 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Obama is a fraud!!! Today it was revealed that CIA operatives asked 3 times to go help the embassy in Benghazi. All 3 times they were told no do not go help. The CIA operatives after several hours and no help on the way did a noble thing and went ahead and tried to help the embassy. The operatives went to the embassy and extracted the body of one of the dead, they were unable to find the ambassador. Upon returning to the CIA post they were attacked. They asked for help and it was denied. The two Ex Navy Seals were then killed in the secondary attack. Obama and his admin is trying to say they didnt know what was going on despite the fact that they had a drone overhead. An Ambassador is treated by the Defense Department as a high ranking person and there are always defense options in place in any region. There are pre made plans that can have boots on the ground within 3 hours. These measures automatically trigger on certain scenarios ( ie if x occurs the military readies y assets to be ready when the Pres gives the green light. Additinally there is a specifica way that the embassy would have notified they were under attack. These are not just emails, they are secure notifications that trigger a whole range of people to engage certain protocols. I have heard that one of the proticals is an immediate notification of the President since assets are being readied so that he can decide how to proceed. So his answer that they didnt know what was going on is complete B. S. and he should come clean on his admins failure.

    • Backwards
      October 26, 2012 at 8:53 pm

      Funny how the Fraud-In-Chief Hussein Obama called Romney a Bulls***er. When he himself is the biggest This is a classic case of Politics of Projection–accusing your opponent of doing the very thing that you have been doing.

    • AV Town Crier
      October 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm

      I got bad news for you; they ALL lie. ALL politicians lie. Never do they ever speak a word of truth. OUR government (once by the people and for the people) started lying to we the people. We looked the other way. Now lying has become so entrenched in government, that’s how they operate. Lies have become truths to government and politicians.

      ALL our just selling you snake oil.

      • Quigley
        October 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm

        Right on Crier!

      • really
        October 27, 2012 at 3:51 pm

        I realize that, however we as voters can change that. If they lie, throw them out. And the libya issue isnt even a politics issue to me. Those that died deserved the help of our government. The more we learn about this the more we see that Hillary Clintons 3am phone call ad in the 2008 primary was right on the money. The decision to act or not to act was made by the President alone. Everything else was just a coverup to justify the President refusing to send help. They are trying to make it sound like they really didnt know exactly what was going on. Once we found out that the embassy asked for help three times and we had a drone overhead. There explanation was torn to shreds. I can tell you that if the President had came out and laid it all out I would have been able to respect him.

        • ed
          October 27, 2012 at 7:03 pm

          @ Really. If you would watch something other than Fox News you might have a better prospect of what is going on in the political arena

          • really
            October 27, 2012 at 8:08 pm

            I do… I watch MSNBC, CNN and CSPAN. Additionally I read several different papers from coast to coast. What does my politics have to do with this story? This is a story for all Americans regardless of party. What was incorrect and biased about my post?

          • Backwards
            October 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm

            Gee Ed…what news channel do YOU suggest we watch? ABC? CBS? MSNBC? CNN? The libs have most ALL the new sources covered. Hence the name “lame stream media.”

          • JAFO
            October 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm

            Unfortunately, Ed, I can’t agree on this one. Fox is the one of the TWO pushing for answers on Behghazi. Another independent station scored an interview with Obama, yet he still refused to answer regarding Benghazi.
            There is a reason ABC, NBC, MSNBC, at times CBS, New York Times, WaPo, HuffPo, etc., are referred to as “Lapdog Media”; they remain silent to protect Obama. Or, they will ‘over-cover’ an irrelevant story to make the important one ‘disappear’ or seem trivial. If you were to follow on Twitter you might become more aware of things the White House is and isn’t allowing the American public to know, as well. . . .very enlightening!
            Banning Fox News from certain ‘news pools’, as the White House does, is not in the public’s best interest. The public should be given ALL the news and discern for themselves what is going on in their world.
            Disagreeing with another (regarding methods of news reporting) does not make either party necessarily wrong. It simply means brains are engaging and there is room for growth!

          • Palmdale_Steve
            October 28, 2012 at 3:23 pm

            What and watch Rachael MadCow and “Tingles” Mathews instead. No bias there is there?

            One sort of right you have, if you watch Sean Hannity, well then you have drunk the flavor aid.

          • ed
            October 31, 2012 at 4:22 pm

            The Behghazi incident was a Republican attempt to change the course of the campaign. The Murdock Clan blew it all out of proportion. It was a tragic incident and the effort to force The President to answer questions before a full investigation was complete, was pernicious and pure politics. In answer to Backward; All of them. How else would you know what is on the other side of the coin?

          • JAFO
            October 31, 2012 at 10:06 pm

            No Ed, a ‘tragic incident’ is when the drone inexplicably falls out of the air; the drone that was sending live-feed to the President, Vice-Pres and Panetta. But that didn’t happen. No. The drone was sending live feed to this same Situation Room and Big Screen, , that Hurricane Sandy was monitored with.
            Obama wanted to blame it on a video and skip off to Vegas. Wrong call!

        • October 29, 2012 at 12:22 am

          The President of the United States is not a job that I would want. That’s for sure. I am however quite amazed at some of the posts here on Facebook. I have seen friendships come to an end over what is said. My beliefs are that the same men and women who died for our country did not die for The Republicans. Nor did they die for the Democrats. They died for each of us to be able to have the right to choose what we like based on our own individuality! Who am I to go against what so many gave the ultimate sacrifice.

          • really
            October 29, 2012 at 11:42 am

            I agree that these men died protecting our freedoms. It is not a Republican or Democrat issue. What it boils down to is the Presidents failure to help Americans who were in harms way. Remember Blackhawk Down? The President has a duty to protect its citizens. The President is misleading the people. He made a choice not to help our own citizens, and is attempting to mislead the American people. He made the choice not to help and he needs to own that choice….

          • :(
            October 31, 2012 at 11:46 pm

            “He made a choice not to help”????
            Where do you get this crap? You think Obama should of put on his batman cape and hoped on his black hawk, swooping up our ambassador and shooting the bad guys as he flies them to safety!!! He had guys ready to deploy from Germany. They couldn’t get there before it was all over.
            Shit happens and it’s a dangerous world. You righty’s never mention the 10 Libyans who died trying to protect or embassy either. Getting desperate are ya? Maybe you can help your boy mittens set up another f**king fake food drive? Or give ryan some clean dishes to wash!
            What repugs consider real help???
            If mittens had been prez, we would of had some back lot BS filmed to show a rescue mission led by Ann and blackwater, mowing down anyone in their way as they start yet another war over the sad death of a handful of American’s WHO NEW THEY WERE SERVING IN A DANGEROUS PART OF THE WORLD! Then they would call in their fav warriors. Young kids in short sleeve white shirts and ties, forcing the book of Mormon on the surviving family members!
            With NO mention of the loser repugs WHO CUT SECURITY $$$ FOR OUR EMBASSIES! You zombies really need to fade away, and take your magic panty wearing future god of other planets with you!

  7. Megan
    October 25, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    I don’t think she cares what you and your buddies think. :)

  8. anotherdummy
    October 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    I have a suggestion, though how much work it will entail compared with the available resources to The AV Times will determine its feasibility:

    I think this site and its readers would greatly benefit from a “How-To/Tips & Tricks” section in which local business owners offer their expertise for various projects/ventures. Even if not a dedicated section, seeking out stories along these lines would be great. Examples could include chefs from local restaurants sharing recipes; local mechanics teaching about inspecting used cars before purchase; local contractors offering advise on how to do various things around the home; etc. Just about every mom and pop business in the AV has expertise they can share.

    I know this would take a lot of effort on the part of the site’s writing and editorial staff, as well as continuous fodder from local businesses willing to hop on board. Despite the effort involved, however, I think this would be a great enhancement to the site.

    Just some input.

  9. Tina Marie
    October 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Son of Democratic Congressman engages in voter fraud attempt:

    Where is William? I remember how he said that “voter fraud” only exists in the minds of Republicans and voter ID laws were “racist” and unneccessary?

    Now where is the stooge William to answer for this? Or how about Eris? Greta? Stinker? Theodore on any of the other Obamaites ???? Come out Come out wherever you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Maria
    October 23, 2012 at 7:20 am

    No more name calling? Hmmm…I guess we won’t be seeing “Stinger” on here anymore now that they can’t be calling people “Parrisites” anymore.

    • Stinger
      October 23, 2012 at 7:52 pm

      Wrong, as usual, “Maria.”

      The difference in my posts and yours is that my posts generally include legitimate debate on the subject matter and yours are merely intended to harass, enrage, and divert the subject away from the matter at hand. As such, the terms “Parrisite” and “Troll” are applicable, not simply hurled insults without meaning.

      Oh, and just to make you happy: “Cha-Ching!” ;-)

      Have a great night!

      • Maria
        October 23, 2012 at 8:22 pm

        Spin it anyway you like “Stinger”….it’s STILL name-calling. “Ca-Chunk!” :-Þ

        • [Removed] Paleez
          October 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm

          Stinker’s standard reply. “I’m the only smart one here. I’m smarter than you all. I make good logical points. You don’t. I am so much better than all of you. You all, by definition, are not as smart as I am. ”
          Save it! You proved your immaturity back when your only response was name calling.

          • Stinger
            October 24, 2012 at 1:27 am

            So… Tell me how that response furthers the debate regarding this site’s statement to engage in censorship?

  11. really
    October 22, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Tonight the President tried to use a great one liner in response to Romneys critique of Obama and military spending.
    Obama tried to divert from the issue to paint Romney as a fool. The crazy thing is that Romney was bringing up a legitimate point.

    Our Navy fleet is being downgraded, not due to technology, due to budget issues. Obama turning into a zinger was silly. The navy had to alter their plans signifigantly and said that they needed a larger fleet to deal with the types of threats we face today. The increase in fleet size is an integral part of our new war strategy. Obama scored points with the line but he did so by dismissing very real concerns about our naval fleet. Also china is going gangbusters building a navy, not a good time for ship production stoppage…

    • Matt K.
      October 22, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      Didn’t you love how, when pressed on the issue of jobs, Obama stated that we have to “re-train” Americans to take different jobs?

      Wait a minute, isn’t that what Bill Clinton said at the onset of NAFTA?

      Just how many times do Americans have to be “re-trained” exactly? Every ten years? Every five? It’s ridiculous and I believe a lot more people caught onto that than the president realizes!

      There should be more job security than than having to constantly “re-train” yourself to do a different job over and over. That comment did not sit well with me or any of the other eight people in my living room tonight.

      • Letlow
        October 22, 2012 at 9:46 pm

        Umm, Matt? You do know that both Romney and Ryan endorse job re-training right? That is one of the rare things that both Obama and Romney agree on.

        • Forward
          October 23, 2012 at 8:27 am

          Seemed to me that they agreed on just about everything – Romney endorsed Obama last night – thanks!

          By not mentioning any social or “Extreme Conservative” issues, the newer version of Mild Mannered Mitt strove to appeal to his thin Female voter percentages, successfully not dwelling on how he’s going to axe Obamacare, Planned Parenthood/Woman’s health issues, PBS, Dept. of Education, Medicare, Social Security, Welfare to Work and other safety nets we have for those making under his stated middle-class levels of $250K/year.

          • Hector
            October 23, 2012 at 9:03 am

            Yep…great strategy. Should seal the deal for Romney so he can implement those good ideas…including NOT providing birth control for poor women. How ridiculous is that…people like me paying for poor people to have fun sexually! If you can’t afford contraception, stop having sex and look for a job!!!

          • Matt K.
            October 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm

            I agree with you on a number of things, but I must depart with you on this one.

            You’re not “paying poor people to have fun sexually”. They’ll “have fun sexually” regardless of if there are contraceptives available or not.

            I think the contraceptives are a small price to pay when you consider the alternative: More unwanted children for the Nanny State to play “nanny” with.

          • really
            October 23, 2012 at 1:50 pm

            I have no problem with funding jimmy hats and birth control for the poor. I think we should, the flip side is that because we do, we wont pay for kids born while parents are already on govt aide…

          • Hector
            October 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm

            Ok, you guys are probably right. I just wish that instead of calling it “womens’ health issues” or “reproductive rights”, they’d call it free rubbers and abortions, so it’s clear to everyone.

      • AV Town Crier
        October 25, 2012 at 9:38 am

        Sadly, that’s the new reality. This is occurring because technology is changing so fast that your job today will, in fact, be obsolete within ten years.

        60 Minutes did a story on this several years ago.

        Sadly, this is NOT good for the working class, especially those over 50. It gets harder to keep starting over. This is not a good thing and none of the candidates (presidential or congressional) ever deal with this.

  12. J. Ripper
    October 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Show of hands (or thumbs) — how many of you, like me, involuntarily find ourselves guessing at what swear word or epithet was originally written whenever you stumble on a [removed] this this site?!!!

    • Matt K.
      October 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      If it’s one of the posters who come here briefly after a “homie” has been shot or stabbed, you can bet it was the F-bomb that was dropped…

      This site is turning into ghetto version of the Wailing Wall

      • [Removed] Paleez
        October 22, 2012 at 8:08 pm

        …and the F-bomb will also be spelled wrong! LOL

        • [Removed] Paleez
          October 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm

          …along with 2/3 of the rest of the post. Oops, we’re not supposed to be pointing out peoples spelling errors.

          • Matt K.
            October 22, 2012 at 8:55 pm

            You’ve also gotta love the way the F-bomb and the MF-bomb are always generously sprinkled in with “God is the judge”, “Jesus”, “angels” and “don’t judge” all of the time!

  13. AV Town Crier
    October 22, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I agree with the policy. A good debate is one where the debaters (and masterdebaters) stick to the topic and don’t make it personal. This is one reason I quit posting on ‘’ because it just get out of hand.

    I think the editor’s of this site have been doing a good job and not being heavy handed in their moderation of this site.

    • Gladys
      October 23, 2012 at 12:38 am

      I would like to say I agree with the new courtesy policy.

      Thank you for trying to put a stop to the group that hijacked the comments section with a ridiculous amount of anger and hate that came across as bullying.

      Intellegence is a virtue, not a burden to be shrugged off as soon as you find yourself in an anonymous environment like this.

      This site is great for people who are entertained by the stupidity of our local criminal element. It also has some interesting news and community interest stories.

      If you happen to have an IQ similar to those who believe cultural diversity was born of the Tower of Babel, then go shout your repugnant, rhetoric from the top of the stands at the next NASCAR event. Keep it away from me.

      • Hector
        October 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm

        What’s wrong with NASCAR?

      • boscoe
        October 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm

        I was right there with you Gladys till you stepped over the line an picked on my beloved NASCAR.

  14. sikntired
    October 21, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    If only the classy people were misbehaving…..

  15. QHR
    October 21, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Dear AV Times, Besides criminal activity headliners, can we get some news about our local economy in the AV?

    Don’t get me wrong, the criminal news is good for public awareness (and hopefully it assists law enforcement capturing criminals). Just hope to see more variety of news on the headliners.


    • Palmdale_Steve
      October 22, 2012 at 7:49 am

      I agree, stories on the local economy would be great.

      How about a story on how the coming budget sequestration will effect the local AV economy. Will this event effect employment at Plant 42 and out at Edwards.

      • QHR
        October 22, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        I work at Edwards and it is sad to say how many vacant seats are in the offices throughout the base. They were in the past occupied by many good workers (mostly veterans) whom lost their jobs due to budget cuts. I am lucky to have a job out there but go to work always worried if there would be another round of budget cuts on the horizon.

  16. really
    October 21, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Dear AV Times, I dont like stories about death. Please stop writing them. When I read them it reminds me I will die one day. Im sure you will find my request rational since you are censoring name calling because it offends some and others are frightened by it…

    • really
      October 21, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      Also, AV Times staff… FYI the most dreaded word ever to a journalist is censorship… Journalism 101…

  17. Greta
    October 21, 2012 at 6:46 pm


  18. Matt K.
    October 21, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    May yu Rest In Paradise Victor… Live it up in HEAVEN with the rest of the ANGELS… Remember Karma is a B*TCH && the HEARTLESS Mtfka whon did this to yu will get wht they deserve && have to answer to GOD! GOD BLESS the family ii send y cobdolences to yu all! Much Love -Nay~Nay!-“

    I consider myself a spiritual person who was raised in the Judeo-Christian tradition. In my family are Methodists, Catholics and secular Jews. With that said, however, I’ll never understand posts like the one above. Never.

    This person is commenting on the death of the guy known as “Hit Man” (very telling!).

    I really just don’t don’t get it. If there was somebody deserving of such a nickname in my family, I would *never* operate under the delusion that they were in “heaven” or, “with the rest of the angels”, as if to imply that they were an “angel” themselves. This is all-too-common an expression amongst a lot of the uneducated religious people we deal with and it makes it very easy for the atheists to point their finger at those of who are religious and laugh, even if we’re educated.

    If I were a staunch Catholic (I’m not), I’d hope they were in purgatory at best! But an “angel”??? Seriously? Are the Lord’s standards that low? Do people really believe someone to be an “angel” who

    I think this is why I have struggled with traditional Western religion/theology most of my life. Or perhaps my struggle is with some of the followers? I don’t know?

    The karmic life cycles of the Eastern religions seem to make more sense in these situations.

    • Greta
      October 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm

      If you can’t understand the post, then BE QUIET!!! It’s not for you to understand!! Let this family grieve however the hell they see fit and STOP JUDGING all the damn time!!!

      If you can’t get past a MURDERED man’s nickname, then too bad for you!! The Canadian wrestler calls himself Hitman and you don’t say anything, Puff Daddy has a whole squad of producers called “The Hitmen” because they make hits. Just because this guy was called Hitman don’t make him a criminal.

      This man lost his life and you still have the nerve to be judgmental!! Why can’t we just be happy they caught a killer? But no, instead you still hung up on the VICTIM, THE VICTIM of all people!!!!

      You should be so ashamed!!! I wonder what skeletons will tumble out if they open your closet.

      • really
        October 21, 2012 at 7:32 pm

        Im offended by your tone, remove this post immediately. She is not presenting an argument she is judging the original poster… Teacher, Teacher!!!

        • Hector
          October 21, 2012 at 7:36 pm

          I agree….she is not promoting healthy productive discourse!!!

          • sikntired
            October 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm

            Ha ha, Hector stop using those big words, might get you censored.

          • Hector
            October 22, 2012 at 9:07 am

            HA….yeah, that would be disconcerting. There I go again!!!!

      • Matt K.
        October 21, 2012 at 7:40 pm

        First of all, I don’t have to “be quiet”! Your reply is incendiary and I can only presume that you are unable to communicate on a civil level and therefor must attempt to silence me.

        I am obviously not the only one who has been pondering the same question. Far from being “judgmental”, I am highly curious as to why people say the things that they do?

        I think it says something about the state of religion in our society when we can call someone an “angel” or believe that they truly are when their lives were anything but angelic. Do you honestly think some of the people being called “angels” on this website lately truly occupy the same celestial space as Mohandis Ghandi, Joan of Arc or Mother Teresa?

        If you are going to grieve on a spiritual level, what ever happened to doing so privately amongst yourself and not posting it on a public forum?

        • Quigley
          October 21, 2012 at 8:15 pm

          OMG, this entire thread is hilarious! Thanks AV Times! “Damn & Hell” shame on you Greta!

        • Greta
          October 21, 2012 at 8:58 pm

          How do you know what kind of life this MURDERED guy lived Matt? How the hell do you know???!!!!

          You are highly curious as to why people say the things they do?? Let’s see, the day after your loved one has been murdered, I can think of a reason. GRIEF GOD DAMMIT!!!! GRIEF!!!!

          And the grief is compounded by people like MATT and others condemning a murdered loved one without knowing a damn thing about him! Have you ever had a family member murdered? HAVE YOU??

          What’s wrong with imagining that person in a heavenly place, whether likely or not, what’s wrong with that if it helps you deal with the grief???

          And to the rest of you claiming to be offended by my comment, BE OFFENDED THEN!!!!! I had to struggled not to call this Matt person a name, but I did it even though it was damn hard because I follow rules! SO TO HELL WITH YOU ALL!!!!!!!

          • Matt K.
            October 21, 2012 at 9:38 pm

            You grieve in church/synagogue/temple/mosque or in your psychologists/therapists office or in the presence of other grieving loved ones.

            But on a news site? Something’s amiss here.

            Cursing in an online forum and saying things like “TO HELL WITH ALL OF YOU”, again, only proves how truly irrational you actually are.

            It is a sign of a lack of education and lack of social etiquette when someone starts cursing or YELLING! in all caps.

          • really
            October 21, 2012 at 10:04 pm

            Greta, there was a time when we used to see things for what they were. It seems as though nowadays we have become so pacifistic that we cant state the obvious. This man was a gangster( the evidence was on facebook). If one chooses to live that lifestyle they better be prepared to meet an early demise. And if you associate with gang members you had better be able to stomach their death. Why do we as law abiding citizens need to be sympathetic to a gang members death? Why do I need to feel for his family. The reason people seek gangs in the first place is to attain status or meet the needs that their families arent meeting. What is sad in this situation is that he chose the path he did in life. If I drive 100mph regularly and wreck and kill myself, why would anyone feel sorry for me. I would have made choices that led to my death, end of story.

    • Marissa
      October 22, 2012 at 2:14 am

      I agree AV Times. Its actually disgusting to see how many people like to come here and torment the relatives of murdered people. These people place no value on human life unless it looks like them, dresses like them, and talks like them.
      I’d disable the comments, or do what other reputable online newspapers do, and set them up so they have to be approved they post. You’re going to have to decide who you are, a respectable news source, or a forum that appeals to the worst of what the Antelope Valley has to offer.
      It’s even obvious that some of the people are coming here and using multiple names to harass the families that have lost young people. Thats pretty sick, to find a way to justify an unarmed man being stabbed to death.
      I’m glad I was raised in a Christian home where I was taught the value of life, and taught redemption and forgiveness through Jesus Christ. That its not mine to judge, but the Lord’s to change in His time.

  19. T-Bone
    October 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Reading the comments with name calling and insults are what makes it fun to read this site. Why read when it’s boring! The news only goes so far…Be careful AV Times…

    • Hector
      October 21, 2012 at 4:47 pm

      Good point. The name calling is VERY entertaining. It’s unfortunate that some thin skinned people can’t take it.

      • Letlow
        October 21, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        Name calling is very entertaining… on the playground in elementary school!

        We’re all adults here and there should be no need to call each other “Mofos” and “liar pants on fire” to make a point.

        I have been guilty of name calling a time or two myself, but that’s because I was dragged into the gutter by someone else who started it first.

        I’m confident that I can make my points and slay all of you in a healthy debate without name calling. If you can’t, then I guess I win!!!

        Geesh, now I sound like a grade schooler…

        • Milos
          October 21, 2012 at 5:09 pm

          I think we all anticipate crossing verbal swords with you, Letlow. Always fun.

        • Hector
          October 21, 2012 at 5:12 pm

          Letlow- You are a smart, respectful guy…even if we disagree on things. Looking forward to some light hearted sparring with ya, my friend.

          • Letlow
            October 21, 2012 at 7:02 pm

            Bring it! :)

        • Quigley
          October 21, 2012 at 5:46 pm

          Geez Letlow I remember “liar liar pants on fire” when I was in grade school….of course when I was in high school & college it was a whole different vocabulary!

  20. really
    October 21, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    The slow creep of censorship begins….

    • Matt K.
      October 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm

      I have read your comments and replies and not one of them would ever merit being censored. They are usually logical and well thought-out, regardless of whether they are favorable or not.

      I don’t think you have to worry about “censorship” with regard to anything you have posted.

      Now, there are “others” who, for the sake of civility shall remain nameless, who I cannot say the same for.

      • really
        October 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        The point of free speech is to present ideas and opinions. It is one of the cornerstones of a strong democracy. The whole point is to allow all involved to freely speak their minds so the rest of us can make an informed opinion. Take Ace for example, he constantly posts offensive things. In doing so he degrades his own credibility. One who constantly name calls will be labeled as uninformed and juvenille and their opinions dismissed. It is a sad day when we prevent free speech just to appease the thin skinned nature of some readers. Rather than hinder free speech I encourage those who are offended by the comments to not read them. UTILIZE YOUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE BEFORE YOU ASK TO STIFLE THE SPEECH OF OTHERS….

        • Matt K.
          October 21, 2012 at 7:45 pm

          The example you mentioned was exactly the one I was thinking of also.

  21. Hector
    October 21, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    First, good move on your part A.V. Times. I must say though, that I don’t understand why somebody would have a “fear” of being attacked, when their post can be completely anonymous. Anyway, you’re right about keeping things classy…and I’ve been guilty from time to time of insulting other posters….but only when defending myself or my position and after receiving insults myself. Let’s hope that from now on, things remain classy!

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