Terminated Section 8 fraud investigators John O’ Neal, Alan Mullins, and Gary Brody received commendations from Mayor R. Rex Parris at Tuesday’s council meeting. Photo courtesy City of Lancaster.
LANCASTER – At Tuesday’s City Council meeting, Mayor R. Rex Parris recognized the area’s three Section 8 fraud investigators, who were terminated after the L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to cut their funding following a discrimination lawsuit.
According to a city news release, Lancaster has suffered an increase in crime since the dismissal of the area’s Section 8 investigators, who worked to eliminate program fraud in the Antelope Valley.
Parris and the City Council were compelled to show appreciation for the thankless job of the investigators who once had a significantly positive effect on minimizing crime in local neighborhoods, the news release states.
John O.Neal, Alan Mullins and Gary Brody received commendations from the mayor Tuesday night. Regarding the commendations, Parris released the following statement:
“The City’s fight against Section 8 fraud has been an uphill battle that has not garnered the support we had hoped for from agencies that are supposedly in place to help communities progress, and not set them back.
The increase in local crime and the corresponding ten percent of arrested Section 8 recipients associated with those crimes is proof of this area’s dire need for Section 8 program compliance enforcement. Section 8 fraud is not only criminal, but also directly ties to other criminal activities throughout the community.
There is nothing being done to effectively investigate Section 8 criminals who operate under the radar of L.A. County’s two investigators who are responsible for evaluating more than 20,000 Section 8 cases countywide on an ongoing basis.
Do the math… it is ridiculous!
Having worked nonstop for several months now to combat a rising crime rate since the removal of our area investigators, the City and the Sheriffs hold an even higher appreciation and respect for the efforts of these individuals who worked hard to weed out the bad seeds in Section 8 housing.
These three individuals often went into hostile environments, and had the formidable task of investigating questionable conditions with dangerous Section 8 violators, in some cases even being shot at. Despite some of their horror stories, they continued to go out of their way to help those who were just dealing with difficult circumstances and needed a break. They protected our residents and our neighborhoods as best they could and, consequently, got thrown under the bus by a system which failed them and continues to fail us as a community.
We’d like to recognize these brave individuals who struggled to make the Antelope Valley a better place for residents. These men did their jobs by the law; put their hearts into their work; saved the Section 8 program millions of dollars in fraudulent cases; made our neighborhoods better places to live; and, ultimately, survived a severely undeserved mudslinging from some of the very people to whom they extended a helping hand… leaving them media-bashed and jobless.
My. John O’ Neal, Mr. Alan Mullins, and Mr. Gary Brody… from the bottom of my heart, and on behalf of the City of Lancaster and our residents who truly value all that you have done for our community, I’d like to say thank you.
The Antelope Valley was a much safer place when you men were able to mend a broken system.”
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Mr.Brady ha ha ha eat a dick
YAY HERE IS YOUR COOKIE FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING SORRY YOU HAVE NO JOB NOW BUT I AS THE MAYOR NEED TO LOOK LIKE IM DOING SOMETHING WHILE MY TOWN IS BECOMING THE OTHER HALF OF COMPTON.
Mr. Brody’s professionalism is above reproach. He was a tremendous asset to our community an is greatly missed by those who had the pleasure of knowing him.
BLAME for Sect, 8 abuses..?
Let’s all BLAME the poor people trying to use it to improve their lives and that of their families. ESPECIALLY if they are Black or Mexicans.
Let’s all BLAME the investigators and cops for TRYING to enforce the rules.
Let’s BLAME the Mayors of both cities for reacting to the many complaints of neighbors.
BUT… We must NEVER blame the Democrats and lefties in Congress that came up with this unrealistic and unworkable SOLUTION to a very real problem.
DON’T EXPECT our own Congressman, Howard McKeon to get involved or say anything about it.
KEEP On voting for Feinstein and Boxer who don’t accept emails, letters or phone calls from you or me about ANYTHING.
And don’t bother VOTING or attending public meetings or becoming informed about issues.
Just remain comfortable and complain here because its EASY and safe to do so SECRETLY.
Always BLAME others… NEVER BLAME yourself…
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Gary Brody – Good, Hard worker, Honest, Admirable.
R. Rex Parris – Bad, Ambulance chaser, Totally dishonest, Disgusting.
I lived at Woodlands West Townhomes in Lancaster. They accepted Section 8. I had to pay the almost $1000 a month rent. And I HATED IT! The section 8 people would stay up and drink all night on their back patio and I was trying to sleep so I could go to work. They threw their trash on the ground. A group of kids loved to go and knock on the doors at night and spray a type of confetti on your door. The apartment complex must have been trying to “save” money and the landscaping was dirt. They turned on their sprinklers on the dirt but the system itself was poor and was pointed toward the sidewalks…so in the winter in 30 degrees as you were trying to leave to go to work you would get soaken wet and I got pneumonia. The whole back section of the apartment complex smelled like urine and garbage. People had enormous dogs on their back patios like German Shepherds…and section 8 people DON’T CARE if their dog barks all day long and all night long, because I think they are too drunk to notice. The people that lived next to me I don’t even know if they fed their dog because he would drag his metal bowl against the concrete all night. I NEVER GOT SLEEP! I almost fell asleep at the wheel! I was a single mom and worked in Burbank. It took me 2 1/2 hours to commute to work. Another one of my friends in the complex was living in Valencia. She was informed by management she could no longer qualify for rent after living there 8 years because they were increasing the rent about $500 a month. She was a single educated black woman…and she had a daughter. She was so depressed. In the laundry room of this apartment complex, someone DEFECATED in the dryer. You cannot even go swimming in the pool there without a gang of scary guys staring you down. You wonder if you will be raped. I live in Palmdale now and the Section 8 renters in the neighborhood I live in…they don’t notify the landlord they have vicious dogs which requires special homeowners insurance…the dogs bark all day and all night…and they do not maintain the yard. When they move out, the homeowner has to gut the whole house..because they defecate on the carpet and they get so drunk they knock holes in the cabinets and the walls. So these men, if they are respectful and are doing their job, then they should be getting rid of the fraud. It is not fair that in some areas of our country, a woman who was beat up, her friend called 911 and the cops came and took her to jail and 7 cops came into her cell and forcibly removed her clothing and left her to naked detention. And these people are getting away with fraud? Every-time I go to Walmart in Lancaster I get behind someone on Food-stamps. And they give a load of cash for their alcohol and then when the cashier applies the remaining cash to part of the food, they throw the biggest temper tantrum and hold up the line for 30 minutes. If you got cash for beer, you got cash for rent and food.
How do people afford a dog, a big dog, on Section 8? Aren’t they low income and pets, even a cat, cost money for food, license and vet bills.
a dog? They most likely have 2 or 3 and one that they keep for unlicensed breeding to sell to other ghetto rats.
Sarah,
Why wouldnt you stay up all night and party if you didn’t have to work the next day and the government was paying for everything including your housing, food and giving you cash to buy goodies?
That is what these people are accustomed to and that is why the system we have now is broke!
Thank you, Mr. Brody, for your honorable duties as law enforcement. Ace, I’m sure if the state itself handed you a million dollars, you’d bitch about it. You poor, black soul, you…Now go. Just go…..
The Last I Heard
No one could sign away or agree or contract to have their Constitutional Rights or their rights under the law taken away.
How then can Sect. 8 folks be suddenly visited without notice, by an agent of the government backed up by a Sheriff’s Swat Team, restrained, and then have their homes searched without a warrant signed by a Judge after a showing of Probable Cause? Without an impartial Master assigned by the court to observe what goes on?
The searchers tear up the home looking for Pot or firearms? Isn’t Pot possession an Infraction now? Don’t Sect. 8 people have the right to bear arms?
Or can the corrupt leaders of Lancaster do whatever they want and what some of their voters demand?
What happened to Lancaster’s Nuisance Law that penalized the land lords for their renters being visited too many times by the cops?
Wasn’t THAT the plan to deal with houses that were a constant problem for law enforcement and the neighbors?
Help me understand…
Seems like a massive breach of law to me.
How about YOU?
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Ace, where did you get the information you listed above? It didn’t happen and I will gladly meet with you and explain exactly how I did my work. I never went to a home with a sheriff SWAT team, never went into a home without written or recorded verbal consent from the resident unless I had a search warrant due to criminal activity. Section 8 HUD rules state an unannounced compliance check is part of the verification program, but can only be carried out with the residents permission. It sounds like your confusing a section 8 compliance check with a law enforcement probation or parole search……two completely different things…..If someone told you this is what happened, you should have checked out your source. If you read Bill Warford’s articles you would have known I not only have all my documentation, but also recorded every interview and signed consent form, even the refusals.
You did a fine and honorable job Mr. Brody. I’m happen to see you are getting the recognition you deserve. I’m sure the commendation was bittersweet for you and your colleagues. Hopefully when the lawsuit blows over, you will be able to finish the fine work you started.
Kudos to you!!!
Mr. Brody… I cannot afford the hundreds of dollars to read, nor do I trust ANYTHING Warford or the AV PRESS offers. I can only get information here by reading the stories and the posts.
Based entirely upon your post, I wonder if the Sect. 8 people were FULLY informed of their rights under the Constitution and IF they were allowed to consult with an attorney, prior to “Allowing ..” you to search their homes?en
I strongly doubt they are even aware of their rights.
Are impartial attorneys provided for them?
And IF they refuse your request for a search, are they threatened with some action such as being thrown out of their homes?
What exactly are you searching for and how do you go about looking for it?
Certainly, enough information has NOT been provided to the readers here by someone with first hand knowledge, like yourself and no doubt Mr. Dillworth as well as myself and others here welcome your imput here and would like more information.
Perhaps you never heard about the recent public meeting regarding this and other crime fighting problems recenlty held. Maybe another public meeting could be held and this mattter fully investigated, aired and discussed in a neutral setting NOT reigned over by the despots and bullies controlling Lancaster?
As for meeting with you, I fail to see why that would be necessary when this fine public forum is openly available to all, you and those raided by you, local leaders and the Deputies.
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Ace you are such an idiot, I cant take it anymore… Now you want Sec8 recipients to have legal counsel provided so they can make a decision. And although you are a trailer park scholar you are wrong. You can waive your constitutional rights, its called consent! They are searching for any signs that the residents are involved in criminal activity. I find it unfathomable that you would defend the ability of criminals to operate with impunity. And lastly Ace you should be referred to as Ace Coward not Ace Carter.. You continually call people out and when they say lets sit down and talk about this, you turn tale and scamper back into the wall like the cockroach you are. You dont want any change you just want to defame those you disagree with. Why dont you investigate who stole your common sense Johnny Ace Carter…..
Yes everyone here are idiots and turds you say.
From a slip and fall lawyer in a no where joint like Lancaster.
The Big Boys all gave G-4′s your honor.
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You are a complete dips[removed] Ace Carter! Go crawl back into your Pearblossom trailer now and cook some roadkill!
Ace, I am really disappointed by your admission that your only source of information regarding the section 8 lawsuit is from forums and reading the stories. Let me try and help with some facts.
Your first concern was if the section 8 tenants were fully informed of their rights regarding my “search” of their homes. Ace, a section 8 compliance check, which is fully described to tenants in the HUD admin plan, is not a search. I can look for evidence of unauthorized tenants such as their property, clothing, vehicles in the garage, etc. I did not look in drawers, under beds, look for narcotics or weapons like you mentioned. I was not law enforcement. Of my 800+ cases, only about 9 were actual “search warrants” issued by a judge for criminal prosecution. That is not to say I wasn’t called to homes by deputies who were conducting lawful search warrants, probation or patrol searches and during their searches they found evidence or paperwork showing the family was on section 8. But that was not a section 8 compliance check. Please learn the differences.
Regarding impartial attorneys on their behalf, Neighborhood Legal Services, NLS, is a tenant advocate law firm that specializes in tenants rights. They weren’t on my side. Every tenant had the right to legal representation free of charge. Who do you think joined the lawsuit against us??? NLS. Their goal was to stop investigations. They won.
Your concern regarding punishment if the tenant refused to let me enter. Again, I have numerous cases that I had to close out as “unfounded” due to the tenants refusal. They are still on the program. Please remember, the Housing Authority wants to continue the section 8 program, it costs time and money to remove people from the program through our investigations. I worked for the Housing Authority, but they are tenant advocates, and that is fine. It is a good program when not abused.
You said you did not wish to meet with me but that I should put my evidence here on the forum for all to see. Ace, it took the Department Of Justice ( DOJ ), NLS and NAACP attorneys months to review my thousands of pages of documentation, photos, videos, reports, etc. It’s not possible to put that much information in a forum. Oh by the way, they found absolutely no wrong doing or civil rights violations on my part, I’m sure you read that in your stories. If they had, I would be writing this from prison somewhere, not getting a commendation.
As far as your point about maybe I never heard about the public meetings being held regarding this matter…..I did attend a public meeting sponsored by the Department Of Justice, NAACP, NLS and the local group whose name I don’t recall. As soon as I walked in with boxes of documentation, the DOJ speaker decided the meeting could not be a public forum because he said he was afraid some people would be intimidated and not want to voice their complaints in public……WHAT??????? I had the evidence right there for all to see Ace. Oh yes, they also asked two news reporters to leave the meeting. So much for that idea, huh?
Let me explain something else to you that I bet the average reader does not know. When I completed an investigation proposing an persons termination from the program, my investigation went to a Housing Authority Analyst, who was a minority. Her job was to review my work and make sure it met all Housing Authority and federal HUD rules. Then my investigation packet went to the investigative supervisor, also a minority, who again reviewed my work. After receiving his approval, my investigation was sent to the Housing Authorities Program Integrity Unit personnel, also minorities. They would do a complete review of my investigation and make the final decision to go ahead with the termination or reduce it to a counseling. Their call.
Ace, I did everything by the book, by local, state and federal laws, and only proposed termination from the program by the worst offenders. I also helped families to stay on the program if they had a wayward kid or family member that put their voucher in jeopardy.
The lawsuit had all sorts of accusations in it as I’m sure you know and read. I was able to provide documentation showing the allegations against me were not true. I prayed this would go to jury trial because that would be the only way for the FACTS to become public. Not rumors, hearsay and statements from someone who knew someone who knew………on and on.
This will be my last post regarding the section 8 lawsuit. I lost my job, spent hours testifying in front of DOJ, County and NAACP attorneys, only to have everything dropped after they got us fired. I know we did a good job for the decent citizens of the Antelope Valley, and this includes the good people on section 8.
Take care Ace, and please check out the Housing Authorities website regarding their Administration Plan and annual re exam packets. The packets are filled out by the tenant every year with clear, bold, warnings that any information they provide will be verified under penalty of losing their voucher and criminal prosecution. They know this going in. Please pay close attention to chapters 12 and 15, regarding the family obligations and termination process. As you will find out, It’s not hard to keep your voucher, and almost impossible for an investigator to take it away.
And please, please do not base your beliefs on forum posts and stories. The evidence and truth is out there for all to see..
Dear Gary Brody,
From reading your post, you sound like a stand up guy who did things by the book. I believe you when you say that you did not bring deputies with with you when you were conducting your compliance checks.
But seeing as though the Justice Department investigation is still going on, then I believe that there must be at least some truth to the allegations. Per the DOJ’s website:
“the investigation will examine allegations that the LASD has conducted warrantless searches of African-American families’ homes under the auspices of housing authority compliance inspections, and that housing authority investigators based in the Lancaster and Palmdale sheriff’s stations have been accompanied by sheriff’s deputies as they conduct routine housing contract compliance checks. At times, it is alleged that the deputies approach the Section 8 recipient’s home with guns drawn and in full SWAT armor and conduct searches and questioning themselves, unrelated to the housing program.”
Here is the link: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/August/11-crt-1067.html
If there is no truth to these allegations, why is the investigation still stretching on? Shouldn’t this have been proven wrong by now?(Or is this the investigation that has been dropped? This is very confusing.)
Unlike, Ace, I am not here to provoke you, but to seek impartial answers. I am sorry that this is your last response on the subject, because there are so many things that I would like to know from you.
Thank you for opening my eyes a bit. I will research the items you have mentioned.
Thank you for responding. Every argument has two sides. I remain OPPOSED to all Sect. 8 housing believing it is a flawed government program.
Poor people SHOULD be given improved housing in Fema trailers removed from neighborhoods where they are not welcome.
IF… They improve and maintain the trailers (Single wide) they should be then able to trade up to a better form of housing which they then own and would care for. Instead of having more trailer parks for poor folks to live in, there are less all the time.
Isn’t it better for poor people to live together in trailer parks than in nice neighborhoods with people above them in social class and incomes?
Giving someone from The Projects a huge house with a pool in suburbia is INSANE and unworkable for all involved.
People given tract homes have no idea the huge monies involved in their up keep… Or how middle class people who will be their new neighbors live and what their mores are.
This is just another failed Government program in a very long list.
Why would anyone take something with so many strings attached?
These people sell themselves right back into slavery, but this time its the government that is the slave master.
I would live under a bridge before I would submit to either searches or inspections of my home.
FREE is always the very expensive price one can pay.
Good luck in a tough job market.
Enjoy you nice plaque. A Typical reward for those working for the government, doing what they are told, and then blamed for doing the best they can in an impossible situation.
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Ace, you just got SPANKED by Mr. Brody, twice! You sit in your singlewide, trying to convince us you’re not some 2 bit private eye,all the while criticizing us for not using our real names, and challenging us to show up and voice our opinions. Mr. Brody just did all that, and you CHEESED OUT! You are a coward, you know nothing about solving crimes, and you are a loon. That is all.
LOOK everyone… Its James JBTWEEK again saying how dumb I am. Yawn…
Why bother with your mindless attacks then, Issac?
I must be upsetting you with my posts.
Yours? Ha-ha-ha…
Knock yourself out genius.
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Ace…tap out…..quickly!!!Brody just shamed you into submission!
Dear Letlow,
I am breaking my own vow not to respond on this forum anymore regarding section 8, but I have to clear something up that I think you misunderstood, or that I should have made more clear.
What I said was I never entered a section 8 home with a SWAT team regarding compliance checks. I did have patrol deputies with me when I conducted compliance checks based on complaints of narcotic, gang or other violent criminal activity by tenants of the home. Our supervisor had to be notified before we could take deputies with us and it was an approved part of the Housing Authority protocol. This occurred on several compliance checks and when search warrants were served, as only law enforcement can serve a warrant.
It would not have been wise for an unarmed civilian investigator to go to a home where the allegations included narcotic sales, gang activity, etc.
I hope this clears that up and thank you for your post.
Thank you very much for clearing that up! From what you describe, it seems like deputies would have been needed in those situations, and it sounds like you were doing everything by the book.
From what little I can tell of you here, you seem like a sincere and straightforward individual. I apologize for prejudging you incorrectly.
I still believe there are bad people on both sides of this coin (i.e. heavy handed enforcement AND Sec 8 cheats)but I don’t believe you are one of them.
I wish there was a way to root them out without casualties. You were a casualty of this fiasco and I feel bad for you.
Hopefully, when the train gets back on track, you might be able to get back on board and get your job back.
Mr Brody,
I can tell you that what you are claiming you conducted and apprised these tenants of was not the experience I had with a “housing investigation” and I live in a completely different part of the state!
As for those residents who assume all Section 8 recipients are criminals, I’m not! I have no criminal record. If my name went into a database it would should 1 ticket for not having my seatbelt on.
I applied for section 8 when I read an ad promoting it. As much as some believe to qualify for section 8 housing one must be destitute and not own much more than the clothes on their backs! However there are only 4 qualifications one must meet to receive the vouchers, 1meet family definition 2 be a citizen 3 not have any prior history of being terminated from any subsidized program for drugs or violent criminal activity, 4 earn less than the income limits listed which for one person is under $34,000.00 under the 30% median income and around $54,000.00 to meet the 50% median income Linus. There are NO limits to the amounts or types of assets one can have. Only exception for example is if I owned a few properties and the profit from renting them out earnings were more than the $34k limit.
As much as you want to be angry at the program tenants, those are the rules and you should actually be upset with whoever made those rules not the people for accepting the aid.
Back to Mr Brody, I’m sorry you lost your job, I’m sure you will receive a nice compensation package; And I can’t say if you are telling the truth because I WASN’T THERE. See how that works people? I don’t automatically assume he is lying because that would not be just.
I can tell you that the Investigators that showed up at my home at 6:45am pounding on my door as though the building was on fire; never was straight with me! He asked to come in and when I said no that I just woke up and I wanted to know what it was all about, he walked past me standing in my doorway and said he just had a few questions he wanted to asked me in my living room. He then fired away questions as though I was being interrogated, then he decides to go into my bedroom, his female sidekick mind you was already going through my kitchen cabinets and then this man beings riffling through my closets and dresser and when he got to my underwear I asked for a warrant. His answer was that the PHA section 8 plan authorizes him to not need a warrant and that I signed my consent saying I would cooperate with the DA during a housing investigation. I didn’t know he was with the DA’s office, then I noticed his firearm, I still asked him for a warrant or to tell me what he was looking for to which he would not tell me and when I said I would call the cops, he laughed and said he had as much authority as the police. Now agree to cooperate does not mean the same thing as giving up a constitutionally protected right to privacy in your home! If the government can’t tell a woman not to go and kill her unborn child due to privacy, I should at least be told what a strange man is looking for and why in my room. He then threatened me that if he could not finish his search I would lose my vouchers. They were in my home for two hours after that and went through everything trying to fire questions like when did you buy this? how much did this cost? gee those are some nice shoes! and then when they could not find anything illegal in my home, and finished their invasion of my home, the jerk wrote in his report that I should be terminated for failing to cooperate with a Housing Investigation!
Some people really abuse any position of power! So perhaps it could be that some of these famines are telling the truth!!! I had never distrusted law enforcement in my life! It’s a tough job that one risks their lives in doing; but there are some bad apples and I experienced it firsthand!
Hmmm.. This article is very interesting indeed. Its funny how Rex is giving these guys an award. Then he wants the say that crime has gone up since they got their funding cut? I thought violent crime was soupposed to be down in the AV. I guess Im wrong. And why does Parris harp so much about crime in the AV? He reminds me of the Macarthy era politicians always harping on the next big commie threat that was soupposed to be around the corner but turned out to never be there. Im not saying that there isnt crime in the AV that needs to be addressed, there is and Im not saying that there arent people in the AV who my be living frodulently off of govt. subsidised housing, all Im saying is that R Rex. seems to live for this kind of stuff. I mean, he’s always talking about it. Where I live in Palmdale our mayor is not always talking about crime and obcessing over it. Whatever crime there is the deputies deal with it and no one else has much to say about it. But why does R Rex spend so much time trying to create boogeymen for people to be afraid of. If you constantly conjur up negative things in your head then negative things may come at you in reality. Im just saying.
Bingo!
In the last days right will be wrong and wrong will be right. Another example as the BIBLE say.
Any chance of these guys getting their jobs back? There is still a lot of clean-up to do in this city.
Amen
If you payed cash for your house or have a mortgage, why would you want someone living next to you or on the block getting Section8?
another example of white kids getting preferential treatment. Young man advertised the party on FB. Girls free, guys $2 before 10pm and $3 after 10pm. Cars lined the street behind his house and a few out front. The cops were called by neighbors and when they arrived a “lookout” ran into the house yelling “cops”. House went silent and dark. Home owner’s son finally opened door to police and said he just had a couple of kids over. Only 3 or 4 kids remained in view. The rest were hiding in closets, and under the motorhome. Most of the kids had gone out the patio door, jumped the fence and hid in neighbors yards. Police saw about 20 of the 40 kids who were there. They were all drinking and visibly intoxicated with some passed out or sleeping as one deputy put it. One girl had yelled out earlier to someone that the event was a rave.
No kids were arrested. I don’t think they even took names.
Last time cops came to a loud party at that house, the cops and kids were calling eachother by first names and cops laughed when a drunk boy fell off the porch.
What the hell does this have to do with this article???
ooooo Quigley, you caught me off topic.
boo hoo! then go back to compton!
waaa!GetMEaTISSUE, I don’t even know where Compton is. I have never been there, have no need to ever go there. Are there alot of European women there? If so, I may fit in. If not, I probably wouldn’t fit in there anymore than I do in the butt crack of California, known as Lancaster.
I do what I can to help and support my community and it bothers me to see people getting paid to do a job and not do it. Sorry, off topic again.
The Section 8 Investigators should have been kept on the payroll. Since the raids on the section 8 houses were made public on the news, for everyone to see who was being targeted and how they were being treated. Minority families were usually the target. I wish other agencys would investigate fraud as vigerously
These gentlemen should still have their jobs as they were the only hope we had in the great AV to rid this valley of the lying, cheating, pos’s who will continue to abuse the system. Discrimination….damn straight, against those who did their job, and tried to clean up our lost valley.
Yes!!!!! Go Brody, Go Brody!!!!! This is your day and you are awesome along with all the others for protecting our streets!!!! If you are Sec 8 and dont respect were you are leave.
The KKK without their hoods.
Here’s your award boys. From the Grand Wizard founder of the Tapestry Commission.
Gotta keep those ____________’s down..!
SEE..! It ain’t our fault those __________’s are doing all the crime.
BOYCOTT LANCASTER…
And contact the Lancaster businesses and tell them WHY…
Buy cars and shop and dine elsewhere…
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Ace, you are a loon. Prove these men are racists! They did their job and got screwed, everybody knows that. The Board of Supes gave them awards for doing a great job. Somebody plopped down the race card and our spineless elected officials turned tail and ran. I hope someone sues you for slander. you go beyond differing ideas and attack people personally without merit. I say hire more investigators and have them do compliance checks on every sec 8 home. or better yet end all forms of welfare. Force people to rely on family or faith based groups and charities that actually check how their money is spent.
Who are YOU, again..? N-O-B-O-D-Y…
Dust In The Wind…
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Yes Ace I am a nobody just like you. The only difference is my opinions are based on logic and facts… not blinding hatred and vendetas.
I Hate the same things God hates as per the Bible.
I hate evil doers.
Race haters…
Terrorists…
Those that hurt little kids, women and seniors.
Crooked politicians.
Liars…
And phoneys that post here under assumed names expecting to be believed.
N-O-B-O-D-Y’s
Little better than grafitti taggers.
Sneak-Spray-Hide…
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God hates?
The Bible is a book that recorded some of the events in the eastern parts of the Mediterranean. Some of it is parables and some of it is complete fiction. There are good lessons to be found in the Bible but it is not “Gods word” any more than any other text is and I do not believe that the Bible speaks solely for God. That is blasphemous to God himself and only something that an uneducated child would believe.
An obvious Bible Scholar…
Just kidding…
Maybe you should try going to Sunday School and studying the Bible for about 20 to 30 years before showing everyone here you obvious lack of knowledge.
Others might look in their Bible Concordences under God Hates.
So say all the prophets, saints and martyrs who’s testimonies are recorded in the Bible.
Many were killed for hating what God hates and for telling people what they were doing wrong.
By people who hate God and His loyal followers.
Our loving Father In Heaven has also issued Comandments to us all. Like a parent who tells his kids to never smoke Pot or drive drunk He does so out of love for all of His children.
It’s YOUR choice however.
Feel free to ignore His Commandments and to love what He hates.
Knock yourself out…
It’s a free country, so far…
Nice try…
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That’s what your Mormon cult may have taught you Ace but that isnt what most of us believe.
This is Ace’s latest game. Refer to people he doesn’t like or agree with as “KKK”. Nobody with any standing in this Valley likes or trusts Ace and now he is hanging out with the NAACP/TCAL folks who are apparently his last refuge until they tire of him too. But this explains why he must refer to everyone as “KKK”. He is doing so in a desperate attempt to impress his new radical “friends” on the fringe left.
Although I, too, commend the efforts of any enforcement official in trying to root out violations of law, I must protest the typically self serving comments of Parris (Not to mention the highly questionable veracity of his claims regarding crime that only started to rise on his watch as mayor). It is highly inappropriate to turn an awards presentation into a political attack platform and all that Parris has done is to degrade the honor that he was supposed to be bestowing upon these gentlemen.
Stinger please refresh my memory…Parris hater??
If you want to accept his pablum for the idiots, that’s up to you. Me, I know what this guy really is about. I don’t ‘hate’ Parris, just what he’s doing behind the scenes and how people like you just blindly believe him. If he wasn’t occupying the office of Mayor, I would not have much concern about him.
Cha-Ching… Another $1.00 for Stinker from TCAL!
LOL!
Does TCAL pay money like Parris does? Somehow, I doubt it, Ugly.
How did I know that the Parris hating troll “Stinger” would be commenting on this!
How did I know that Parris’ trolls would be engaging in ad hominems whenever I mention a legitimate complaint on how this was done without addressing the issue brought up?
Go drink your koolaid.
So you say you “know” Parris.. Interesting…did he shut down one of your “committees” that you started? Or better yet did you work for the guy and he saw your lame azz for what it was and fired you? Do tell “Stinger” fool!
Maria “Who..?”
Another N-O-B-O-D-Y…
Just what this forum needs to be destroyed…
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Still avoiding the subject matter, I see. Typical Parrisite hijack attempt: do not respond to the issue and engage in ad hominem attacks upon the person that dares to disagree or question.
I tend to think any group of people the sheriffs exclusively sit on could see a 10% amount of said group being criminals. Especially if the sheriffs are hoping they are criminals. Would be interesting to see what would happen to the kids here on the west side if the sheriffs put all their resources on “finding criminals” in that area.
This is true, but the argument is that the Section 8 recipients are doing so on the taxpayers dime and thus should be allowed to be monitored. TCAL/NAACP disagree with this and in lies the motivation for fighting the lawsuit brought up by them.
So the real question is; If singling out a specific race is discrimination then is it also discrimination if a global non-discriminant action results in a single race being singled out?
NAACP would want everyone to think so, but then the results of this would be that every act of moderation would result in a majority of a single race and thus discrimination against that race.
Extending that to a real example would be that the US Census is a discriminatory act because it singles out white people more than any other race.
This is not geometry and these are not proofs you can not invert the terms to produce the same result. Sorry NAACP/TCAL you are wrong in my opinion.
This is what floors me:
It’s not “discrimination” when the County gives 70% of all Section 8 vouchers to African Americans, despite the fact that they only make up 9.3% of the county population according to the 2010 U.S. Census
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06037.html
Yet, when the number of Section 8 voucher holders who compromise their vouchers by engaging in illegal activities turns up mainly African Americans, it is then “discrimination”? SERIOUSLY?
I think that Los Angeles County Housing Authority needs to be investigated for favoring one race over others with regard to Section 8 vouchers.
This is not fair to those of us who pay taxes who have elderly relatives who could use this program.
Excellent summation of the issue from both sides, Adam. Not sure if the language you used is too high brow for some here, but I follow you completely.
In my day, I too had Section 8 while I was out of state. I signed documents stating that my residence was to be inspected regularly and, if I wasn’t living up to the terms of the agreement, I would be terminated from the Section 8 program. Pretty straightforward agreement if you ask me.
The more I consider the matter, you’ve got to admit the current Section 8 rules and regulations need much needed oversight and overhaul. Accountability is the key to making it work. Without accountability, the whole thing falls flat on its face. That’s what we got here with the Section 8 investigators being involuntarily laid off. Right now the LA County Board of Supervisors have the backbone of a worm, and until that changes, the situation won’t either.
The points made by you, Adam, and T. Chen are well taken. I, too, believe that appropriate accountability is required for any program to weed out those that are simply milking the system without just cause. That just makes plain sense. The issue that I see is less about racism (yes, I think the NAACP and TCAL are on the wrong track here, too), but rather a form of class warfare based upon inaccurately reported and hyperbolized stereotypes without the statistical proof to support the particularly heavy tactics involved. This was exacerbated by Parris’ heavy-handed and ill-though out comments which made the issue stand out until it became an easy target for those who thrive on lawsuits.
Stinker, what you and others fail to realize about these Section 8 complaints is that Parris was not even the mayor when the majority of these whiners were “violated”. Henry Hearns was. Check your dates. The investigators that were so rightly commended this week responded to complaints from neighbors. Deputies had no input on what locations were visited. Those were chosen by the investigators , BASED ON PHONE OR WRITTEN COMPLAINTS! Cops didn’t call them up and say “what black family on Section 8 should we go screw with today?” T.Chen is right on the money! If you give 70% of the vouchers to blacks, why are you surprised when the majority of the crooks turn out to be black?
Obviously, you were so busy trying to go into attack mode that you didn’t pay attention to what I was saying. Try again.