Logan, Cobian families file excessive-force claims against Sheriff’s Department

More than a dozen of Logan's family members attended a press conference Wednesday to announce they had filed an excessive force claim against the Sheriff's Department.

WOODLAND HILLS – The families of Darrell Logan Jr. and Christian Cobian are two of several claimants seeking unspecified damages from Los Angeles County in connection with alleged incidents of excessive force and racially-motivated abuse on the part of the Sheriff’s Department.

“We’re talking about brutal beatings that were on video, and we’re talking about shootings where people have been killed,” said attorney Bradley Gage, who filed the government claim Friday.

Attorney Bradley Gage and Maria Chiclana.

Darrell Logan Jr., 32, was shot and killed by deputies on Oct. 13, 2011 and Christian Cobian, 26, was shot dead by deputies on Jan. 21, 2012.  Other claimants include Nikkia Wise, 20, who alleges she was roughed up and choked by deputies on Jan. 11, 2012, and Marco Chiclana, 34, who claims he was brutally beaten without justification at Antelope Valley Hospital on April 2, 2011.

“The community in the Antelope Valley is concerned that people of color are being targeted, and nothing is being done to protect them,” Gage said. “We’re hopeful that all this coverage will help to make a change.”

Marco Chiclana says he sustained these injuries after an altercation with deputies.

Claimants and family members crammed Gage’s law offices in Woodland Hills for a press conference Wednesday, where Gage called each family before the media to explain the circumstances that prompted them to take legal action against the Sheriff’s Department.

Gage said claimant Marco Chiclana was brutality beaten after calling deputies to the hospital to assist with his father who was disoriented after surgery and trying to leave against doctors’ wishes. Read more here.

Gage is representing Marco Chiclana in a civil lawsuit against the Sheriff’s Department and is also representing Marco’s mother, Maria Chiclana, in a criminal case. Maria has been charged with obstructing an officer in connection with the hospital altercation. But Gage said video of the incident disputes this. View the video here.

“You have this woman, 63 years old, she sees her son being attacked by the officers… she puts her hand on an officer trying to calm him down because he’s hurting her son,” Gage said. “As they continue to beat her son, eventually she faints, and she’s charged with a felony charge of obstructing and resisting.”

He said Maria Chiclana’s charge has since been reduced to a misdemeanor by the court, and her criminal case is set for trial on April 10.

Gage said two of the deputies involved in the Chiclana incident allegedly brutalized another claimant – 20-year-old Lancaster resident Nikkia Wise.

Nikkia Wise

Wise claims she was roughed up and choked by deputies who stopped her for riding a bicycle without a light. Read more on her story here.

“You probably only have a few individuals in this department that are bad, but these bad people keep doing bad things repeatedly and nothing is being done, that’s part of why we’re here,” Gage said.

Another claimant, the family of Darrell Logan Jr., said the matter was less about the claim and more about seeing justice carried out.

“I don’t care about this claim, I will never see my son again,” said Logan’s mother Arzenia Ratliff. “I’m making a lot of noise and I’m not going to close my mouth. You just can’t take away my child.”

Logan Jr. was shot and killed by deputies who responded to his home after receiving a call of shots being fired from his address. When Logan refused to come out of the garage, deputies forced entry and “were confronted by the armed suspect and a deputy-involved shooting occurred,” according to a Sheriff’s press report released the day after the shooting.

An autopsy revealed Logan was shot 11 times. Read more here.

Wednesday, Logan’s father, Darrell Logan Sr., said the autopsy also proved his son could not have been holding a weapon during the time of the shooting.

“Darrell is also right handed, he was shot in his right hand, so his hands were up,” Logan’s father said.

(L to R) Gage, Darrell Logan Sr., Steven Leonard Porter.

“There were 40 shots fired,” Gage said. “You would have to imagine that somewhere between shot number one and 40, the sheriff’s deputies would have realized that his son was not holding any weapon and was not in danger.”

Logan Jr.’s brother, Steven Leonard Porter, said the atmosphere in the Antelope Valley was “devastating.” The 22-year-old said he had been pulled over and roughed up by deputies while trying to ride a bicycle to the store.

“The harassment from police officers from the Lancaster Station to the Palmdale Station is uncontrollable,” Porter said. “I feel like my life is threatened every time I step out of my house.”

The family of Christian Cobian, the man shot dead by deputies during a traffic stop for a bicycle violation, was the last to speak at the press conference. Cobian’s aunt, Erica Perez, said her nephew was attending a baptism celebration at the family home. She said Cobian rode his little sister’s bicycle to the store for some cigarettes and a short time later, the family heard several gun shots.

“We all ran towards the store when we heard the gun shots, we all ran together,” Perez said. “When we got there, the police were there and they had already put the crime scene tape where he was dead.”

Gage said he had personally spoken to people who had witnessed the Cobian incident.

(L to R) Mother Carmen Cobian, Gage, aunt Erica Perez, family spokesman Dr. Miguel Coronado.

“According to witnesses, he was shot in the leg and the groin region, he was calling for help, he was pleading to the deputies to stop shooting him,” Gage said. “Some interval of time passed, then a deputy came up and shot him in the head and killed him… according to these witnesses this was nothing short of a police execution.” View the autopsy here.

The Sheriff’s Department declined to comment on specifics of the claim Wednesday; however, spokesman Steve Whitmore said the department is not hiding anything.

“Is there a pattern that’s racially motivated? Unequivocally no,” Whitmore told ABC 7. “If there be a lesson in anything, when you are in contact with law enforcement, do exactly what law enforcement tells you to do.”

The government claim seeks unspecified damages and was filed with LA County Friday, said Gage, adding that the Sheriff’s department should have received it this week. In California, you must first file a claim before you may sue a public entity (i.e. state, county or local government).

Other claimants include Sheriff’s Sgt. Mark Moffett and 15-year-old William Fetters. The claim alleges Moffett was targeted for abuse and racial slurs by his colleagues at the Sheriff’s Department because he is part Asian and part Native American. The claim also alleges that Fetters was shot in the back and side without justification.

Additionally, the claim details allegations of gangs within the Sheriff’s Department, specifically the “Vikings” and the “Regulators,” that are made up of “Neo Nazis” and “White Supremacists” who earn tattoos based on the number of people they kill. Read the entire government claim here.

  81 comments for “Logan, Cobian families file excessive-force claims against Sheriff’s Department

  1. August 29, 2012 at 7:53 pm

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  2. chris
    July 20, 2012 at 2:41 am

    It is not just people of color that is being harassed and targeted , it may seem lkike it is but trust me its not your color , what your doing it’s not you! It’s these damn crooked shady ass dirty cops of the lancaster sheriffs station they are no good!!!! We the people of this community are not protected from the sheriffs out here ! man how come there i nothing being done about this? I am a white chick who got choked out by these officers dep. spears and his early morning crew some young black deputy light skinned and one hispanic dep and to white dep were called to my house due to my car window being busted out , well they come to my house and question me and then arrest me for supposily haveing drugs well i had no kind of drugs on me they found a battery tester in my mans truck and tried to say it was a controlled substance and arrested me on a felony , i was screaming that it wasnt mine and the power tripper dep opened the door chocked me out and got on top of me and told me”he would [removed] hurt me! i dont know what to do but he shouldnt get away with it! all these cops need to be fired cause half of them do meth there selves

  3. Plmlanspy
    May 22, 2012 at 8:11 am

    I like the comments from the racist plm PAC and DB Deps. Everyone knows who you are!

  4. Bill B
    March 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I feel that these claims are justifiable by all means, I know for a fact that Darrel Logan Jr’s murder was basically an execution sadly you can call it that. How do two man in a secluded garage riddled with bullets and one comes out with no scratches or nothing and approx 15 to 20 mins another man comes out on a stretcher like he’s alive, but was dead and left for dead by all the officers there was no knowledge that he was even in the garage I was outside watching as this all unfolded, it’s sad to say I understand them responding to a call, but how many of them officers do the same thing with their spouses and have domestic disputes, come on now more then half of the A.V. Sheriffs are drunks. As for the other case the victim Christian Cobain you could clearly see from what occured that he’ to was wrongfully killed and for those that say he was this he was that it does not matter cause these were all after the fact that he was murdered by the cops. It could of been any one of us. My prayers and condolences go out to each family member of the victims that were wrongfully killed by the biggest, most corupt most violent, and worse gang in the Antelope Valley and all of the L.A. County the sheriffs dept.

    • Facts
      March 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm

      Secluded garage?? In a typical housing track? Executed, yet his partner comes out alive and unhurt? I highly doubt crooked cops would leave any witness to an execution? Your accusations make no sense.

      Spoken like a true inner city gangsta.

    • Bill B
      March 11, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      his partner or whatever you want to call him was placed in protective custody, what that means is that he seen what happened, but didnt say anything or still hasnt who know s they might of paid him off or scared him with his life, and the first officer on scene was a gang unit detective so tell me why would he show up to a domestic violence call sounds a lil fishy to me any way you put it wouldnt his partner be hit to if they let off a numerous amount of rounds. An Inner City Gangsta would know how crooked these A.V. Cops really are

      • no one of consequence
        March 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm

        He was placed in protective custody because cops become cadavers rather quickly in general population. They do the same for anyone at high risk for being attacked.

        • Bill B
          March 11, 2012 at 7:20 pm

          this guy placed in protective custody was the victims bro in law and in the garage when the other victim was shot and killed by the cops

          • no one of consequence
            March 11, 2012 at 7:24 pm

            Sorry, it was hard to determine what you were saying without punctuation.

          • Bill B
            March 11, 2012 at 7:35 pm

            My fault about the punctuation. When I get going I just type I forget to end my sentences.

    • justicelove1
      March 11, 2012 at 7:23 pm

      I agree

    • Tommy Tactical
      March 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm

      Good luck on that law suit…considering the District Attorney’s Office, Office of Independent Review, Sheriff’s Internal Affairs Bureau and the Sheriff’s Department Executive Shooting Review Committee have concurred the use of Deadly force by Palmdale deputies was justified. Nice twist, hiring a “white” civil attorney. Did you get that tactic from the “South Central Ghetto Life” Cook Book.

    • Dante
      March 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm

      Okay…here’s the $100,000,00 dollar question. In the above photograph of Logan family members, “lookin to get paid cuzz” pick out the south central wanna be gangsta’s? Hint: Is the sun bright in dat office or what cuzz

      • Wpayo
        March 14, 2012 at 8:07 am

        Are you suggesting that the guys in these pictures are gang members and that is why they are dressed that way and hiding behind sun glasses inside? I thought the same thing to be honest!

        • Concerned Citizen
          March 14, 2012 at 9:15 pm


          Here’s a little 411. The O.G. (right side on the floor)in the Logan photograph is a “Rollin’ 60’s” gang member and the one who was in the garage when Darell got shot. He has that “i’m here cuzz i gotta be, but i’m outta here when they find out what i told the police” look on his face. He wasn’t in protective custody…he was in jail for outstanding warrants.

    • Facts
      March 24, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      THIS is what is killing our community. Attorneys like Bradley Gage and groups like TCAL, LULAC, the local chapter of the NAACP, and some within the AVHRC, who prefer to sue and attack our law enforcement professionals through B.S. press conferences, yet they go completely silent when our law abiding citizens are beaten and murder by the likes of those they love to represent as police abuse victims. SUPPORT our Sheriffs and CHP if you want this madness to stop! Do not give these self serving groups and attorneys the time of day or we will continue to see our youth beaten by gangs of thugs, and our beloved computer shop owners blasted away in cold blood by relocated inner city gangsters, just like some pictured in this press conference photo.

      • Matt S
        March 24, 2012 at 10:52 pm

        Really, they should only sue the city like rex. 10.5 million from Palmdale because some idiot hit a little girl? Palmdale was to blame? No street light exactly where this child decided to cross the street? Those lawsuits are OK? It doesn’t matter what anybody says to you racist! If a white guy like rex pulls lawsuits out of his a$$, you all admire his ability for getting rich off deep pockets. But poor black folk get a lawyer, and your butthurt like it’s a personal attack! Hypocrites!

        • Matt S
          March 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm

          And if you want to have blind faith in the biggest gang in town have at it! Never mind the good cops who get crushed under the boots of Paul Tanaka, one of the Original White Supremest Gangsters? Stop admiring the cops who abuse their authority. Stick up for the cops trying to clean up their nasty history.

          “No matter the departmental rank, all our sources tell us the same thing: Long before Tanaka officially inherited the No. 2 spot there were already two camps inside the Sheriff’s Department—those “in the car” with Tanaka and those on the outside. Those outside the car can be “rolled up”—meaning transferred to department backwaters—if they cross Tanaka, regardless of their performance on the job. Those in the car with Tanaka are promoted quickly and insulated from performance failures. For years, Lee Baca has, with few exceptions, granted Tanaka the power to pick and choose what supervisors get promoted and where they’re placed—even in units over which Tanaka has no formal organizational control.”


          • Matt S
            March 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm

            There’s your “heroes”!

          • Facts
            March 25, 2012 at 8:16 am

            Well we can all see that Matt S. works for Bradley Gage. I also disagree with Rex Parris and his lawsuits to drain public resources to line his pockets at the expense of tax payers. My point was why the local activists groups are now silent instead of speaking out against the violent crime now impacting our community. Matt would rather criticize our local law enforcement. Based on his logic listed above, I guess we should call Brad and Matt when we need help…. God Help Us!

  5. T-Bone
    March 11, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I am White, Bald, 6-3, 250lbs and was driving down Ave I in a ’74 Primered VW Bug and was pulled over because the Cop thought I was a Skin Head.(he told me that my tail light was out and when I got home I saw it wasn’t)I told him I’m not a Skin Head and he said, “You Never Know”. I knew at that time if I ran, was aggressive, or made any wrong move, I could have been shot! When I went for my wallet I told the Cop what I was going for in fear he would think I was going for a Gun. When he was running my info, my hands were on the Steering Wheel for fear he would think I was going for a Gun! That is just common sense. So for eveyone to ASSUME this only happens to non-whites, Give me an F-ing break! You need to know how to act when the Sheriff’s arrive and everything will be just fine! How many of these does it take for people to learn?!

    • no one of consequence
      March 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      Your actions demonstrate what EVERYONE should do when dealing with law enforcement… Tell them what you are reaching for before you reach, and make sure they are okay with it. Whether or not you fit into a stereotype.

      Respecting the nature of their job and the thought processes that adapt as a result would lead to significantly fewer tragedies.

      • Stinger
        March 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        Showing that kind of respect for the dangers of their duties during a traffic stop can also be the difference between a ticket (or worse) and just a warning.

        Remember, cops are human beings, too, and traffic stops are fraught with potential danger for them. YOU may not be a danger to them, but how do they know that when they pull you over? Only by showing that you understand their position and act with respect for that very human fear can you communicate that you are not a danger to the deputy.

        It does make a difference.

        • no one of consequence
          March 11, 2012 at 7:12 pm


          Also, if you fall into a stereotype, you should at least acknowledge that to yourself and be extra polite and mannerly. Don’t bitch and moan, just be calm.

          I’m not saying brutality is justified, but I am sure that NOT pissing off law enforcement will help you avoid it.

          • Alex
            March 11, 2012 at 10:51 pm

            This is good advice, no matter where you are from, or who you are.

            I always recommend turning off your engine, turn on hazard lights and headlights, put on the e break (it will be visible depending on the vehicle, and leaving your seat belt on, this lets the officer know you wont rabbit,) turn on dome light.

            Wait till the officer approaches to start moving around and reaching for stuff, tell the officer what you will reach for and where, and do it very slowly.

            Yes sir, no sir, and honesty are always good as well. Treat them how you would like to be treated.

    • Dante
      March 14, 2012 at 9:00 pm


      You’re da man. Let me give all of Palmdale and Lancaster wanna-be gangsta’s that couldn’t hang in South central a little friendly advise fo sho. Okay, so you don’t think i’m a racist, I’m talking to all you hillbilly, peckerwood mo-fo’s too. I have a solution for all you fools having issues with the police. Get on da computer, if yo sorry ass don’t have one cuzz you’re poor, section 8 check got stolen from da mail box, or all your drug sales cash has gone to all your babies mommas. Here it is…log onto You-Tube and type in “Chris Rock How not to get your ass kicked by the police” It’s a must see and all your troubles will be over fo sho. Word Cuzz.

    • Just calling it like I see it
      March 25, 2012 at 10:42 am

      Exactly! My 18 year son was always getting pulled over and he’s blond and blue eyed. However, he hates to get a haircut so I told him to get a haircut you will get more respect that way. Well, he finally got a haircut and guess what…no more getting pulled over AND now he is even being offered a promotion at work. Yes, we ALL judge a book by it’s cover. We shouldn’t in a perfect world but we do!

  6. Jo
    March 9, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    A year ago, out of 300 deputies in the AV, only 6 were folks of color. There is more then a dozen articles from the LA times, LA weekly, Exposed etc. documenting internal GANGS in the sheriffs department. In fact, the documentation has been going on for years. Baca has been busted breaking the law, time and again, in just the last month. The latest being him giving unmarked patrol cars to campaign contributors. Before that is was endorsing candidates in his sheriffs uniform. Baca said he wouldn’t sanction himself. An accusation that was proved, and is still being proved, with no accountability, right here in the valley. If you got your Sandra Johnson for city council mailer, what you’ll see is the capt of the Lancaster station and deputies in uniform.
    The white supremest gangs in the sheriffs go all the way back to the 80’s and Baca’s second in command, Paul Tanaka, was one of the original gangsters in the Lynwood station. One of the few non-whites allowed to join an all white sheriffs gang. They get tattoos proving their loyalty and to document their kills.

    Paul Tanaka, who Rex calls a friend, was the senior officer in charge during a foot chase in the 80’s in Korea town, where a young man was run down and killed. A officer with the LAPD called the sheriffs and told them he had just witnessed the “sheriffs execute a man”. Those were his words, not mine. The family got a dollar short of a million. And this guy is now running the LASD while Baca travels playing cop to the world. Talk to the old time, straight and narrow, exceptional sheriffs officers, see what the have to say about this guy.

    There has been nothing but documentation concerning Tanaka’s campaign contributors (he is also mayor of Glendora) deputies who have contributed to his campaign, being promoted REGARDLESS of performance, or being protected from disciplinary actions for no other reason then they wrote checks to Tanaka’s war chest. And any good cop who tries to reign in Tanaka’s “boys” are being punished.

    The campaign money, and resulting privileges (for giving Tanaka money) and punishment (for not giving Tanaka money) has become such an embarrassment that the board of supervisors last month had to pass a new ordnance stating anyone in a county position can no longer solicit political campaign money from underlings. ALL BECAUSE OF THE MANY EMBARRASSING ARTICLES ON TANAKA!

    So yes, our sheriffs are very capable of abuses in the communities they are supposed to serve in. And, because WE are to lazy to police our police, the GOOD sheriffs have had NO HELP from the communities they serve, in protecting them when they try to bring these issues to light.

    Pretending all sheriffs are perfect is not helping anyone folks. It doesn’t mean you’re standing up for law enforcement. It means you’ll accept any behavior to LOOK like you support law enforcement. It’s fake. If you really want to be there for our men and women in uniform, you’ll do all you can do to help identify those who commit abuses under the color of authority, and you’ll support cops like Mr. Moffit who try to bring the bad to light.

    • Alex
      March 9, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      Well, since you brought it up… some of the black officers that were in the AV had to be removed, and none trusted, because they would regularly act as informant for the gangs. It was amazing how for such a long time a known crack house would be cleaned from top to bottom on the day a no knock warrant would be served.

      If you really want to see abusive and ridiculous law enforcement tactics look at the LAPD while they had CRASH operating, they were providing protection FOR THE GANGS, and while under the command of Bernard Parks. “Smile and Wave” is how they responded to seeing crime take place under his command.

      Bernard Parks makes Baca look like a Saint. Where we you guys crying about that? Why is Parks always getting seats in the council? And people cry about Baca…

      I do not expect perfection, I do expect reasonable attitudes. I will not protect bad police work (for example the Marine that was shot.) I wont defend every two bit thug with a record, but some people will, as you can see on this thread. “He was unarmed” is not an excuse to let them go, or to wait for them to shoot the officer first. Most of the cops on certain beats know the usual suspects and usually have them in their six pack.

      Humans do make errors, but in a lot of these cases the biggest errors were made by the criminals and not the deputies.

      There are bad cops out there, and many cops do make their own cliques, but that happens at any job.

      If you have such a problem, why don’t you offer real solutions, like having large federal (or state) department handle excessive force, instead of in house I.A. and the jokes that often make up “citizen panels,” where often sadly the citizens have no idea regarding law enforcement, etc.

      Personally, I would make the panel like the supreme court where they are put in for life, as so they cannot be as easily influenced by politics as voted in, or every new governor makes a new board. Preferably people with law enforcement or legal backgrounds.

      • Alex
        March 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm

        And I should have proofread, the first line is incorrect. Specifically the “none,” I am sure some of them are great deputies, however there were a couple that were questionable.

        • Jo
          March 9, 2012 at 4:10 pm

          So you’re saying black sheriffs can’t be trusted? That since the LAPD has problems, we should fix them first(regardless of the fact that the have nothing to do with our local law enforcement) and that as a civilian, if I can’t personally fix the problems, I shouldn’t bring them up?

          Well then, that was productive!

          • Alex
            March 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm

            Well, since reading comprehension isn’t your strong point, let me summarize it for you in language a person with no more than a 5th grade education can understand:

            There are bad people in all races.

            There are racists from all races.

            The Sheriff’s office is not the only law enforcement in the county that has had serious issues.

            That as a civilian you should call your local elected officials and ask them to push for a federal review board for possible abuses of power by local law enforcement. In fact, put it in writing and send it certified mail.

            That police from the same department should not police themselves.

            That a board made up of members for life, preferably with experience/knowledge in the criminal and civil code, should be create to run state investigations.

      • Jen
        March 9, 2012 at 5:28 pm

        “Jo” has a hatred of anyone who isnt black!

        • Jo
          March 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm

          Nice. If you don’t agree with what’s said, insult them, and then accuse THEM of a 5th grade intellect. Well done Alex.
          And in case you’ve missed it Alex, the investigations you speak of are already in motion.

          Jen doesn’t deserve a response.

          • Jacky Johnson
            March 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm

            Jen, where did you get that from Jo’s remarks? Jo points out all kinds of issues with the sheriffs, and all you can come up with is Jo only likes black folk? WOW What a intelligent argument. And then Alex accuses Jo of having a 5th grade education? Amazing. Really, the people in this town are scary.

            You’re right jo, sounds like a waste of time talking to this one.

          • Alex
            March 9, 2012 at 8:04 pm

            Jo, you where the one that assumed that I insulted you, but if you did grasp the language I put it in laymen’s terms so to be to point and best understood from the widest range of intellect. So you are in fact saying you have a 5th grade intellect.

            Currently half of it is a civil matter now, unless the FBI steps in or new evidence appears on a few of the cases.

  7. really
    March 9, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Possibly. I think it is also odd that all of the sudden the crime rate is the lowest its been in a long time and now people are suing the Sheriffs. Could it be that for a long time criminals were running rampant and now that something is being done about it the criminal element wants to portray itself as the victim

    • Facts
      March 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      You hit the nail on the head!

  8. really
    March 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Here is my litmus test…If you have a job, no criminal record, own a home and can show me tax returns from age 18 on and you are shot or beaten by Deputies I will pay your lawyers fees as you probably were a victim of brutality. If you meet two of the criteria then it should be further investigated. If you dont meet any of the criteria than there is a 99% chance you are a criminal by nature and practice and the Deputies word of what happened should be taken as the truth

    • James
      March 9, 2012 at 8:08 am

      So Sgt. Moffett’s accusations are true?

      • Facts
        March 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm

        What does Sgt. Moffett’s claim have to do with policing in the A.V.?

  9. ha
    March 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    R all u seriously think u are placing a comment on this story or spreading the same sad perception that one man life isn’t worth justice taken in such a dirty way of abuse of authority. Was the decision made by these officers for a stop on a bike justified in taking someones life r we really this disgusting. Of human beings that we have to complicate. Just for it to make sense wow really sad to. Read these comments may God forgive u n prevail over all find peace within ourselves in this lifetime.

    • Alex
      March 8, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      When a 20 something year old man is driving a girls bicycle in the middle of the night without any light, then tries to bail and run way, a reasonable person would think the person is a low life who stole a poor little girls bike and is trying to avoid justice.

      IT just happens to be his bad luck it was at night, in an alley/small street, and he reached into his pants (probably just to check if he still had balls after getting busted for stealing a lil girls bike,) while being confronted by deputies. Chances are the deputies really did feel their life was at risk, which does in most cases, justifies lethal force.

      • Matt S
        March 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

        Who said he stole a girls bike? Well, besides you anyway. There was no stolen bike. Try again.

        • Facts
          March 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm

          Sure, why would any reasonable person think that a 26 year old adult mail riding a pink girls bicycle at midnight might have stolen it? How could the deputies possibly jump to such a radical conclusion?

          • Dolores
            March 11, 2012 at 12:06 pm

            because the bike was his sister, that is a fact, a probability that had to be taken into account, these officers are trained profecionals, the could of, should of, would of, have no place in here, they are dealing with people’s life, the standars are higher, they killed this man, this man is DEAD, he was given a death sentence no judge, no jury, this is either bad training or bad judgement, any way you cut it, it was a bad call, this man is DEAD.

          • Facts
            March 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm

            Delores, because DRUGS KILL.

          • Alex
            March 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

            Dolores, a man with a good work ethic would buy his own mode of transportation, not borrow his little sisters.

            He wasn’t shot because was riding the bike, he was stopped because he was, and because he was doing it with out a light at night.

            He was shot because he ran and started to act stupid. He made the bad call.

            They did not drag him out of a car and execute him.

            There was no execution squad here. These cops want to go home at the end of their shift, alive. You make it seem like they wont they respond in kind.

      • Bill B
        March 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm

        How do officers feel their lifes were at risk when the victims backs to them an he’s running away from them probably just pulling up his pants from falling, I could clearly understand if he was running towards them pulling up his pants, but clearly that’s not the case.

        • Facts
          March 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm

          Did you not read the autopsy report? All of the shots hit him in the front. So he must have been facing them.

          But since you asked, do you think it is impossible for an armed gang member to be running from the police while holding and pointing a handgun back at the pursuing officers? Happens all of the time and some incident videos are on You Tube.

          • Bill B
            March 11, 2012 at 7:07 pm

            It’s possible, but doesnt seem to be the case in this seeing that he wasn’t armed at all. any person with a gun especially with dealing with officers knows it’s either them or him.

        • Stinger
          March 11, 2012 at 6:46 pm

          Actually, Bill, you clearly did not read the coroner’s report. The individual was NOT shot in the back, which means that the story of the deputies that he turned while reaching to his waistband is plausible.

          Granted that this is a tragic event, but I have not seen any evidence thus far that would lead me to believe that this was some sort of execution. There may, or may not, have been some violations of protocol, but nothing currently presented shows intentional malice towards the deceased by the deputies involved.

          The investigation continues and my position may change if further evidence warrants such.

          • Bill B
            March 11, 2012 at 7:10 pm

            The fact that it is stated that the victim was screaming for help after the deputies shot him and then the deputy went up an shot him in the head, shows theintentions of malice theycould of left hiim as is he was already down. but your right as might mine

          • Stinger
            March 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm

            You are claiming ‘facts’ that are not supported by the evidence, Bill.

            The coroner’s report showed conclusively that there were no powder residues surrounding any of the wounds of the deceased. IF the deputies had done as you have accused, there would have been powder residue from the close range firing of the deputy’s pistol to the subject’s head.

  10. justicelove1
    March 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Alex you are a very ignorant person sounds like your full of hate towards colored people. You must be a AV Sherrif?

    • N.O.O.C.
      March 8, 2012 at 1:10 pm

      “colored people” ? uh last time I checked everyone has a color! So you want to be called “colored” again? i thought that was racist? yesterday you wanted to be called “african american”. before that “black”. before that “negro”. before that “colored”. so now we are back to “colored” again?

      and why does someone automatically have to be a “sheriff” to be tired of ghetto people? Alex is right! ghetto people suck! I wish they would all go away and let the hard working people have our valley back again! hard working people who are Hispanic, white, black and asian are tired of dealing with the ghetto!

      • justicelove1
        March 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm

        Too bad for you we are here to stay :)Peace&Love brother

        • Alex
          March 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm

          Ah, hypocrisy at it’s best from justicelove1. This person (falsejusticelove1) needs to reread their posts before they spout “peace&love.” I.E. follow your own advice, you only look stupid when you insult a person with “mr pest” and ridiculous name calling that one can hear in the 5th grade playground during recess.

          I have no hate towards people of any race, I hate subcultures that give the larger group a bad name, no matter the race.

          I hate the twitching white meth heads like I hate the gang bangers, including the NLR and Neos.

          There are plenty of hard working people of every race that blanket racism is stupid and worthless, however there are plenty of people using EBT and the likes who abuse it and do not need it from all races, and as I said, many of those are the ones and their families, who constantly have run ins with the LASO out here.

          • justicelove1
            March 8, 2012 at 2:14 pm

            Ok so you hate hate hate you sound like a very lonely miserable person so sad.:/ you should try being happy life is to short.:)

          • Alex
            March 8, 2012 at 2:17 pm

            I am disappointed, you really do sound like you are going with the 5th grade recess insults. “Nah uh, I love more people than you! You don’t love anyone!”

          • Jen
            March 8, 2012 at 2:17 pm

            people are only “miserable” because they have to be around people like you ^

        • N.O.O.C.
          March 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm

          until the housing market goes up and you lose your section 8 voucher because the owner wanted to sell the house! then it’s off to victorville, cal city or Barstow with you!

          • justicelove1
            March 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm

            Wow so much anger people too funny:)

          • Jen
            March 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm

            I cannot wait for that to happen!!!!! but they wont lose their voucher. they will just have to take it Barstow or California City with them and live in some POS shack there!

        • Jen
          March 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm

          Interesting that “justicelove1” identifies themselves as “ghetto” isn’t it?

  11. Alex
    March 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Having grown up in the AV, it is hard to feel sorry for people who come from LA and other problem areas and expect to have their butt kissed in this Valley too.

    The people that cry loudest about the LASO are the ones who also say their EBT and section 8 aren’t enough, they are generations of lazy pests (from all races.)

    We need to do mandatory drug testing for public assistance like other states, instead of paying for these losers to eat steak and watch their 80″ tv in their section 8 housing, while driving around in their Escalades with rims worth more than all the taxes they have ever paid in their whole life.

    The LASO aren’t simply focusing on race, they had the crackdown on the white meth heads as well, and they still roll them up.

    • justicelove1
      March 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      Mr.Pest what you need is God :)Have a wonderful day.

      • Alex
        March 8, 2012 at 2:10 pm

        And, if I play with your comments and follow your insulting lead, it sounds like you need a job.

        • justicelove1
          March 8, 2012 at 2:19 pm

          Sure Alex :) whatever you say

          • Jen
            March 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm

            so go get a job! quit mooching from the system!

      • Jen
        March 8, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        “God”? what you need is a JOB and to quit relying on the generosity of taxpayers!

        • justicelove1
          March 8, 2012 at 2:28 pm

          Jenniffer why so mad?Awwww did I get to you or are you full of hate too?Have a good day Jenny :)

          • Jen
            March 8, 2012 at 2:30 pm

            if being tired of ghetto people like you means I am “full of hate” THEN SO BE IT! who cares! Newsflash- LOTS of people hate you too!

          • N.O.O.C.
            March 8, 2012 at 3:19 pm

            Dont hate them! Just dont be one of them and teach your kids the importance of responsibility and self reliance so they dont end up as one of them either!

    • ....
      March 9, 2012 at 3:17 pm

      Hmmm sounds like you don’t get I was rasied out here as well did that stop them from doing what they did to me umm no it didn’t so for you to judge someone with out knowing them isn’t right I have a job and I have my own place I don’t depend on noone and just because people are from Los Angeles don’t mean a damn thing

      • Alex
        March 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm

        Do you use public assistance of any kind? (EBT, Section 8, etc?)

        What did they do to you?

        Do you have a criminal background?

        • ....
          March 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm

          No I don’t no section 8 no Ebt no nothing and I never been in trouble never are nothing that didn’t stop them though and they roughed me up. I go to school and work I don’t party, drink, or smoke I was racially profiled

          • Jen
            March 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm

            Sure! :-/

          • Alex
            March 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm

            Well, as sad as it may be to some, if you talk with a meth head slur, or a heavy ebonics accent, people will assume you are out of place in the valley or are trouble.

            I am curious as to which school you go to.

    • Facts
      March 9, 2012 at 8:09 pm

      The sad part of this whole press conference and follow-up story is the fact that Attorney Bradley Gage is just playing on the racial emotions of those of us who live, work, and play in the A.V. He has no idea on what life is truly like up here since his lawsuit practice and home are in the SFV. All he is doing is jumping on the T-CAL and LULAC ambulance chasing bandwagon by lumping all of these cases together like some kind of class-action lawsuit. All he is hoping to do is inflame our community with claims of racism, in hopes for some easy “tax payer financed” settlements so he can live the high life like that former cop suing attorney Steven Yagman used to do. Thank goodness Yagman ended up in prison like the convicts he once represented. Once Gage gets his cash, these families will be left with a little extra pocket change and will be out hoping to create some other negative encounter with law enforcement as they look for their next lottery ticket.

      I support our Sheriff’s because they have always treated me with dignity and respect. They constantly strive to protect our community from suicidal house shooting parolees, armed gang member, drug addicted thieves, and even the sword wielding elderly meth freaks. And several have died in the line of duty while serving and protecting us.

      Attorney Bradley Gage could care less about these heros. He is all about scoring our tax payer dollars!

      • Matt S
        March 9, 2012 at 8:23 pm

        Sounds like you’re describing Rex. Anyone got a count on his lawsuits against Palmdale? 10.5 million for not having put in a street light were that little girl was hurt. Notice he had to go for the deep pockets, the driver wouldn’t have had the cash to make it worth his while. deep pockets rex! Maybe Gage could ask Rex for pointers.

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